Fusilier Dragon, the Dual-Mode Beast

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skey23 said:
1. Ok, so you're saying that a Set "Fusilier Dragon" (set by his own effect) will have an ATK of 2800 while face-down?

2. The ruling states you can 'check' face-down monsters, not flip them face up. So since "Fusilier" (set by his own effect) has not been flipped face-up, what would his ATK be?
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1.) No, i'm saying that a normal summoned then set Fusilier by effect (ie. BoM) can.

2.) When you "check" a card, you are flipping it up to see what it is. When you simply Set Fusilier by its own effect, DDV will "see" it as 1400 ATK and destroy it.

P.S.. I think you missed the point of my two questions/issues. We're not questioning whether you can use face down cards, we're trying to figure out if "Fusilier" (set by his own effect) can be used.
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I just double checked and yea i did misunderstand.

Then the answer is no you cannot. It will only be 1400 ATK.
 
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1) No.

If you simply set a Fusilier Dragon, its ATK/DEF will be 1400/1000 when it is flipped face up for whatever reason, be it an attack, through Ceasefire, or simply to check it for DDV (in which case DDV would destroy it). Now, if Fusilier Dragon were to be flipped face-down by "Book of Moon", its ATK/DEF will be 2800/2000 when it is turned face up or looked at (in which case it can be used as the cost to activate DDV).

2) If Fusilier were simply set from your hand, 1400/1000.
 
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novastar said:
1.) No, i'm saying that a normal summoned then set Fusilier by effect (ie. BoM) can.
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No argument there. We'd already established that via the rulings.

novastar said:
2.) When you "check" a card, you are flipping it up to see what it is. When you simply Set Fusilier by its own effect, DDV will "see" it as 1400 ATK and destroy it.
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I've never heard the term 'checking' being equated to 'flipping' before..lol. The issue here is the ruling states when "Fusilier" is flipped face-up, his ATK will be 1400. As far as I know, there's only a few ways to get a card to 'flip face-up'...Flip Summon, Book of Taiyou, Being attacked, Swords of Revealing Light, etc...
 
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Ok, well two people, who are almost never wrong btw.., have stated "Fusilier"s ATK/DEF would be 1400/1000 if while face-down if set via his effect.

So it seems the answer to both posed questions would be as follows.

1. Using a set "Fusilier Dragon" (set by his effect) as the cost for "Deck Devastation Virus".

Nope, since his ATK/DEF would be 1400/1000

2. Whether or not a set "Fusilier Dragon" (set by his effect) would be a valid target for being destroyed by the effect of "Deck Devastation Virus".

Yes, since his ATK/DEF would be 1400/1000.
 
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skey23 said:
I've never heard the term 'checking' being equated to 'flipping' before..lol. The issue here is the ruling states when "Fusilier" is flipped face-up, his ATK will be 1400. As far as I know, there's only a few ways to get a card to 'flip face-up'...Flip Summon, Book of Taiyou, Being attacked, Swords of Revealing Light, etc...
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You are not "flipping it face-up" you are turning the card over to "see" what it is.

If you wanna call it "checking" or "flipping" or "turning" it's up to you. In the end the down-side of the card must be turned up and viewed in order to determine what it is.

Just as you do for De-Spell if the target is face-down, you would "pick up and see the card." and check if its a Spell Card or not. There is no functional difference between that and DDV's "check"
 
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DDV needs you to send a 2000 or greater Dark monster to the graveyard. Just like you can send a face down beast from the field for Manticore's effect you can only send a face down dark monster if it has an ATK of 2000 or greater. Since a Fuselier set without tribute is only 1400 you can't send it as the cost for DDV.

When DDV is set off by your opponent and it checks your face down monsters on the field your Fuselier that was set without tribute will die because he is only 1400 ATK.
 
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Entropy said:
"¢ If you Set "Fusilier Dragon, the Dual-Mode Beast" without Tribute, it has ATK 1400 and DEF 1000 when flipped face-up.

Specifically referring to the "when flipped face-up" part:

Does this mean that, while face-down before being flipped, it will have its full 2800 ATK/2000 DEF?

Edit:The main reason I am asking this is because of Deck Devastation Virus. Raigekick must be psychic!
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I should have known better than to trust the text on this message. Just compared it against the card text. The card text does not say anything about being flipped. I wasn't realizing that it was just the text of a ruling, not the text of the card.

This card can be Normal Summoned or Set without Tribute. In that case, the original ATK/DEF of this card become halved.

And that changes the whole argument. Since it doesn't say anything about being flipped, so the card is 1400/1000 when checked by DDV until it is face-up and then placed face-down again to reset the effect.
 
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