fusion gate... card registry ruling

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Fusion Gate states:

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As long as this card remains face-up on the field, a Fusion Monster can be Special Summoned without using "Polymerization". The Fusion-Material Monsters used in the Fusion are not sent to the Graveyard, but are removed from play.

the card registry states:
Fusion Monsters Special Summoned without "Polymerization" while "Fusion Gate" is on the field are still considered properly Summoned by a Fusion Summon.


acording to the card text this would be incorrect. if this were the case the card text would state:

Card Text
As long as this card remains face-up on the field, a Fusion Monster can be Fusion Summoned without using "Polymerization". The Fusion-Material Monsters used in the Fusion are not sent to the Graveyard, but are removed from play.

Am I missing something here?
 
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DimensionalWarrior said:
You summon the Fusion by removing the monsters; and since Fusion Gate is a Field Card your opponent would not be able to chain, right?
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Correct, you would not be able to chain to the effect, however its not because Fusion Gate is a Field Spell, but because the effect of it is Continuous.

For example, you can chain the the effect of Harpie's Hunting Ground (Spell/Trap destruction), as that is a Trigger.
 
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You can chain to Fusion Gate's effect. You need to declare you are using it. It is one of those ignition effects that aren't really ignition because it is not on a monster, but you still need to say you are using it. It would be similar to Ultimate Offering, but in Spell form (and before someone asks, NO, you may not use it during your opponent's Battle Phase. :p)
 
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Dlanaan said:
You can chain to Fusion Gate's effect. You need to declare you are using it. It is one of those ignition effects that aren't really ignition because it is not on a monster, but you still need to say you are using it. It would be similar to Ultimate Offering, but in Spell form (and before someone asks, NO, you may not use it during your opponent's Battle Phase. :p)
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huh? Even if your opponent controls the Fusion Gate you can state that you want to use it's effect? Interesting...:cool:
 
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As long as this card remains face-up on the field, a Fusion Monster can be Special Summoned without using "Polymerization". The Fusion-Material Monsters used in the Fusion are not sent to the Graveyard, but are removed from play.
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That does not look like a Manually Activated Effect.

This sounds more akin to the XYZ Fusions, where you simply declare the Special Summon and remove the monsters. It is not a chainable effect, but part of the summoning conditions for the Fusion Monsters in your Fusion Deck.

There is no Official Ruling on this.
 
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Dlanaan said:
I refer to Freed the Matchless General and Royal Oppression. Searching for a monster instead of drawing does use the chain. Negating the summon uses the chain. My assumption is that using Fusion Gate likewise uses the chain.
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As far as Royal Oppression is concerned, there is no mention of Fusion Gate in the Official FAQ, and it uses a completely different templating altogether. It outlines the Life payment right away, and does not use a Continuous template. I also checked it, to make sure.

EDIT: i just double checked Freed and Maharaghi and it seems that there is infact a chain point before you draw in the Draw Phase. That is where Freed's effect fits in. The templating seems off though (what's new?).

I still don't feel the Fusion Gate's effect is chainable.
 
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If the effect is chainable, then it would be considered an Ignition Effect (nothing triggers this, it's not the same thing as Harpie's Hunting Ground) and you would be "using" the effect of the Field Card...
However, what would happen if we consider Fusion Gate's effect a "condition"? (more or less like Jirai Gumo's tossing coin)
(Although I'm not sure...)
 
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DimensionalWarrior said:
If the effect is chainable, then it would be considered an Ignition Effect (nothing triggers this, it's not the same thing as Harpie's Hunting Ground) and you would be "using" the effect of the Field Card...
However, what would happen if we consider Fusion Gate's effect a "condition"? (more or less like Jirai Gumo's tossing coin)
(Although I'm not sure...)
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Lets make sure we do not call manual Spell and Trap effects "Ignition Effects" as those are specifically Spell Speed 1 Monster Effects. Especially the consideration of newer players.

There are 3 main types of Spell/Trap "effects"

- Activated (manually by you or opponent, some have costs and some don't)
- Trigger (auto-activated by events/actions)
- Continuous (does not use the chain)

We are trying to determine whether Fusion Gate has an Activated Effect or a Continuous Effect.
 
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I say continuous as the same as any other field card like Umi/ALO boosts water monsters. It's continuous when a water monster is summoned you can't chain to Umi/ALO boosting the ATK.
 
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chaosruler said:
I know this is a kind off-topic Question, but can you activate your opponent's Fusion Gate for your monsters? I think you could
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This is a good Question. I know a while back, everybody thought "Ultimate Offering" can be used by both players.

chaosruler said:
, and also, I think Fusion Gate is indeed a trigger effect.
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If the player says "I want to fuse my monsters", then "Fusion Gate" will Trigger if you want to look at it as a Trigger Effect. But, I don't think this is how the game mechanic works though.

chaosruler said:
PS: Raigekick, you should start a poll :p
-chaosruler
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I'll wait for a while, and if this thread becomes hot, then I'll start the poll. Thanks for volunteering me. Though you can start the poll yourself. Use "Courier New" as the font so you can line them up nicely. Also, 2 or more spaces are truncated to a single space, that is why I use ". . ." (dot space dot space) method.
 
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Is Fusion Gate a Trigger Effect?
As of March 9, 11:19 AM
Chainable Trigger Continuous Chainable Manual​
Raigekick . . . . . . no . . . . . no . . . . . . yes
chaosruler. . . . . . no . . . . . no . . . . . . yes
OKShadow. . . . . . . no
StRiKe_NiNjA. . . . . no . . . . . yes. . . . . . no
novastar. . . . . . . no . . . . . yes. . . . . . no
dlanaan . . . . . . . no
dimensionalwarrior. . no . . . . . no . . . . . . yes
raijinili . . . . . . no . . . . . yes. . . . . . no
cranium_x . . . . . . no . . . . . yes. . . . . . no
canukleheads. . . . . no . . . . . no . . . . . . yes
Raigekick, is this acceptable?
-chaosruler
 
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