fusion gate... card registry ruling

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Fusion Gate states:

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As long as this card remains face-up on the field, a Fusion Monster can be Special Summoned without using "Polymerization". The Fusion-Material Monsters used in the Fusion are not sent to the Graveyard, but are removed from play.

the card registry states:
Fusion Monsters Special Summoned without "Polymerization" while "Fusion Gate" is on the field are still considered properly Summoned by a Fusion Summon.


acording to the card text this would be incorrect. if this were the case the card text would state:

Card Text
As long as this card remains face-up on the field, a Fusion Monster can be Fusion Summoned without using "Polymerization". The Fusion-Material Monsters used in the Fusion are not sent to the Graveyard, but are removed from play.

Am I missing something here?
 
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chaosruler said:
I was right w00t ^_^ <_> <_< >_> >_< (face partay!!!) lol

i don't think you can use Horn of Heaven, even though it's spell speed 3, cus it is brought into play after Fusion Gate resolves, same way you cannot HoH a monster that is revived by Call of the Haunted, etc.

-chaosruler
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THAT'S THE KEY! W00t! if you can't activate Horn it's because the summoning happens during the resolution of an effect; resolution means "You can chain at activation"...and the mistery resolves :D

BTW Chaosruler, can I use your Face Party as part of my signature? PLEASE :D
 
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DimensionalWarrior said:
THAT'S THE KEY! W00t! if you can't chain Horn it's because the summoning happens during the resolution of an effect; resolution means "You can chain at activation"...and the mistery resolves :D
:D
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Well, the reason you can't chain "Horn of Heaven" to a monster special summoned by "Fusion Gate" is because "Fusion Gate" is the one that is special summoning the monster, not by the effect of the monster itself. This is also the reason why you can't chain "Horn of Heaven" to CotH because CotH is the one special summoning the monster, not the monster itself.

Sorry, but "Horn of Heaven" has nothing to do on the special summoning effect of "Fusion Gate" is chainable or not.
 
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[ycard="LOB-EN053" said:
Raigeki[/ycard]ck]Well, the reason you can't chain "Horn of Heaven" to a monster special summoned by "Fusion Gate" is because "Fusion Gate" is the one that is special summoning the monster, not by the effect of the monster itself. This is also the reason why you can't chain "Horn of Heaven" to CotH because CotH is the one special summoning the monster, not the monster itself.

Sorry, but "Horn of Heaven" has nothing to do on the special summoning effect of "Fusion Gate" is chainable or not.
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WOOPS! Sorry, my mistake, I got confused :p! I meant that you could activate (not chain ) Horn of Heaven when the fusion was going to be summoned succesfully. (I'll edit right away)

As you stated,
This is also the reason why you can't chain "Horn of Heaven" to CotH because CotH is the one special summoning the monster, not the monster itself.
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if Fusion Gate is chainable, then you would not be able to activate Horn of Heaven because it's Fusion Gate's effect that summons the monster...

But what if that effect is not indeed an activated effect but an "active field effect"...
 
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[ycard="LOB-EN053" said:
Raigeki[/ycard]ck]Well, the reason you can't chain "Horn of Heaven" to a monster special summoned by "Fusion Gate" is because "Fusion Gate" is the one that is special summoning the monster, not by the effect of the monster itself. This is also the reason why you can't chain "Horn of Heaven" to CotH because CotH is the one special summoning the monster, not the monster itself.

Sorry, but "Horn of Heaven" has nothing to do on the special summoning effect of "Fusion Gate" is chainable or not.
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You can use Horn. The effect of Fusion Gate is similar to the XYZ's and you simply remove and Special Summon. It cannot be interupted, and you can respond with Horn of Heaven.
 
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novastar said:
You can use Horn. The effect of Fusion Gate is similar to the XYZ's and you simply remove and Special Summon. It cannot be interupted, and you can respond with Horn of Heaven.
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You can't use "Horn of Heaven" on monsters special summoned by "Fusion Gate" because of a post in Judge's List: [judge-yu]Horn of Heaven/Solemn Judgment vs. special summons

Judge's List said:
"Horn of Heaven" cannot negate Spell or Trap Cards. It is decidedly more limited in terms of what it can do against Special Summons. The Special Summon of a monster with the help of another card cannot be negated by "Horn of Heaven." So you cannot use "Horn of Heaven" against a monster Special Summoned by "Monster Reborn," "Polymerization," "Premature Burial," "Call of the Haunted," "Elegant Egotist," "Fusion Gate," a Ritual Spell Card, "Giant Rat," "Mystic Tomato," "Marauding Captain," "Spear Cretin," "Cyber Jar," etc.

You CAN use "Horn of Heaven" to negate a Special Summon that was achieved using the monster's own effect such as "Dark Necrofear," "Gate Guardian," "The Fiend Megacyber," "Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End," "Archlord Zerato," etc.
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FelixChCh said:
If I summarise the discussions is this going to throw it all into chaos again? Oh well here goes ;)

Fusion Gate is a field spell card - so either player can use it's effect

Activation is when a card is placed on the field face up (either flipped, or played from the hand).

Using the effect is what you do to summon using Fusion Gate. It cannot be chained as you do not Activate it. You can respond however the results of using the effect (i.e. the special summon can be BTH'd - similar to UO you can Trap Hole the monster summoned)

The monster summoned using Fusion Gate and Polymerization are special summons (see card text for Polymerization). Fusion is the method that is used to special summon them - there is no "Fusion Summon" as such.

I avoid the discussion on whether it is Continuous Manually Activated with a Twist of Lemon on purpose. :)
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Fusion summons are real, and they count as Special summons.

Horn of Heaven cannot be used against Fusion Gate monsters, just as it CAN be used on Vampire Lord's self-summoning.
 
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The reason you cannot use Horn of Heaven on the majority of those effects is because you cannot chain it to an effect that Special Summons. Horn of Heaven has to "respond" to a summon declaration.

Since Fusion Gate is not an activated effect, you should be able to respond to the summon declaration with Horn of Heaven. Just as the "self-summoning" effects do not use the chain.

I fail to see how being an outside effect has anything to do with it. That is why i hate UDE's explainations sometimes.
 
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