Fusion Recovery

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Madma

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I activate Polymerization, sending Dark Magician and King of the Swamp to the Graveyard: I summon Dark Paladin. Later, I use De-Fusion and Dark Magician and King of the Swamp are summoned on the field, then they are sent to the graveyard again by an effect.

Can I use Fusion Recovery to bring back in my hand one of these monsters that were used for a fusion summon and the Polymerization used previosly, or are they no longer considered used for a fusion summon, since they were summoned and sent to the graveyard again, making this move illegal?
 
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*Sigh* I love being at this forum. It's so awesome.

Okay, here's my logic:

De-Fusion summons the monsters used for the fusion summon to the field from the graveyard. Thus, they are now no longer labled as being used in the fusion summon, but being summoned by De-Fusion. So they now have been "Special Summoned". Once the monsters go to the graveyard later, they no longer have the condition of being Special Summoned and now have the condition of being destroyed by some effect. Thus, I say you cannot use Fusion Recovery to return it to your hand.

However - If somewhere in some ruling or something it says that using a monster in a fusion summon gives it a state of being a fusion material monster used in a fusion summon for the rest of the duel no matter what else happened, I'd change my perspective.

AND --- Tkwiget, I applaud you. You make an extremely believable and valid point. It's just that if I was a judge judging this situation, I'd say it was an illegal move.
 
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About that ruling regarding Fusion Gate. I think (yes, I think sometimes) that Fusion Recovery is supposed to retrieve Monsters used for a Fusion Summon regardless of where they were sent (Graveyard or Removed from Play Area) and the inclusion of Graveyard in it's card text was just bad translation on Konami's part (yet again).
 
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About the "Fusion Gate" ruling. It appears to me, that somebody was just trying to list all the 'valid' ways to truely Fusion Summon a monster, and simply forgot about the fact that "Fusion Gate" removes them from play.

That's my .02 cents.....now back to the quandry at hand!
 
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Yes, the ruling right afterwords specifically states the both cards targeted are in the Graveyard, so my guess is that if the monsters were somehow returned to the grave before you used Fusion Recovery, they would be valid targets.

Not that you can target them while removed from play.
 
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If it's bad translation they need to Errata it immediately. Other wise that ruling is incorrect with the current text and one of the two needs to be changed. Other wise it needs to be be brought up with UDE and Konami about the ruling and how it says "Graveyard" in the text and then having a ruling with two cards that remove the monsters from play is very INCORRECT. Sorry, but that just needs to be changed IMO or at least some sloppy translation announced. =/

Chaos General: I know, but blame John for my flip flop ruling. Lol, he made me think more and I actually started comparing text.

In this situation it will work. Think about it, De-Fusion doesn't have any noticable wording it will make the monsters lose their status they gained from the Fusion Summoning. Just think about it, Fusion Recovery say, "that was used for a Fusion Summon" in the text. That alone makes this situation legal for Fusion Recovery to be activated in.

Here's a method to help you and others see what I see.

Stop looking at the actual situation. Step back, compare card text, then compare the card text with the situation. Everything fits like a puzzle and you should see the picture crystal clear.. =)
 
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First off all, I agree with everyone else 100% about this ruling... This card either needs to be errated immediately or the ruling needs to be clearer.

If you return the monster to the graveyard by some effect from play (like Miracle Dig) and it's still a valid target for Fusion Recovery, then that leads me to think that as long as the monster has not been returned to the graveyard from the field or hand, then it's valid. However, I think that when it's Special Summoned to the field by De-Fusion, Premature Burial, etc., and then returns to the graveyard in a different manner, it is no longer a valid target because it has now gone to the graveyard in a manner other than being used in a Fusion Summon. You see what I'm saying? I bet you can also see that I'm terribly confused by this card... Lol...
 
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Yes you are terribly confused because it was hard for me to understand what you were saying. =/ Don't worry, I have wording problems too. xD

De-Fusion doesn't stripe the monsters of any status. It just changes where they're located on the field. Since they were already used in a Fusion Summon, they are valid targets of Fusion Recovery even after they return to the Graveyard after De-Fusion's activation. "that was used in a Fusion Summon" Is that text that should be looked at.

I know the text of Fusion Recovery is very screwed up with rulings that look incorrect.

But, I'll agree (mostly because I've been thinking about it) that if the monsters were removed from play and then brought back into play that they'll still be valid targets of Fusion Recovery since they still were used in a Fusion Summon.

Ok, think of special summoning requirements of cards like BLS, Dark Necrofear, Soul of Purity and Light, Fenrir, etc.. Once properally summoned the first time they can be brought back as many times as possible in that current duel. Why? They're still considered to be properally summoned still.

Here's a situation to help prove my point.

If you successfully summon a Dark Necrofear and have a BLS that was properally summoned and is in the Graveyard. You Torrential Tribute the field and then remove your Dark Necrofear and BLS from play and Dimension Fusion them onto the field. You can do this because they were properally summoned. Get the connection?

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Unless UDE/Konami comes back to us with some new clarification that the "used for a fusion summon" differs fundamentally from the "properly summoned" designation that Dark Necrofear and company have. Obviously there is that possibility that they will only be treated as such until they leave the graveyard or are removed from play. From what we currently know I would say your example would be correct.
 
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Ok, so basically what 'most' of you/us are saying is this?:

If the monster was used in a 'proper' Fusion Summon. The ONLY way for it to lose it's 'tag', if you will, would be for it to return to a/the player's hand?

So that means the initial scenario put forth would be considered a valid 'combo' of sorts, or a 'valid' sequence of events to occur?

Thanks.
 
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Just as a tangent, the removed from play thought brought this to the front of my mind again....and it's a reasonable thought pattern to explore as long as we're on the subject....

Why is it that there is only one monster who's effect doesn't reset when removed from play? Does anyone have any reasonable explination / game mechanic why Twin-Headed Behemoth's effect isn't reset?
 
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