gemini + skill drain

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1cup

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after doing some digging (here: http://www.cogonline.net/threads.48206 and at the ude board), i wonder if there was ever an official ruling given.

correct me if i'm wrong, there's 2 starting scenarios that raises questions.
(note: some of this will probably be my own thoughts as i try to walk through this)
Scenario A
ntp has skill drain set on his field
tp special summons a gemini monster
ntp activates skill drain and it resolves.

A1. is tp's gemini monster still a normal monster making it eligible for effects like creature seizure, justi-break?

A1b. assuming that tp's gemini monster is still a normal monster, can tp then normal summon the gemini monster for it to gain its effect, to thus have it negated, making the gemini monster an effect monster with its effect negated? (keeping in mind, if this were possible, tp is using a monster effect while skill drain is out)

A2. later in the same turn, skill drain is removed from the field. if the gemini monster was NOT re-summoned to gain its effect, upon skill drain leaving the gemini monster will continue to be a normal monster, correct?

A2b. following A1b and the gemini monster was-resummoned to become an effect monster with a negated effect, skill drain leaves the field. and thus, the gemini monster now gains its effect, correct?


Scenario B
Skill drain is already active on the field
tp special summons a gemini monster

B1. assuming the monster came from tp's graveyard, will tp's monster immediately become an effect monster with its effects negated? or will it stay a normal monster because while it was in the graveyard, it is a normal monster and tp is special summoning a normal monster.

B2. same scenario, but instead of being special summoned from the graveyard, tp special summons from his hand. will the gemini be a normal monster or will it be a negated-effect effect monster?

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and for reference
Skill Drain
Pay 1000 Life Points. As long as this card remains on the field, the effects of all face-up Effect Monsters on the field are negated.
(from netrep.net as of 12/11/07)

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Look at Goggle Golem for instance.
Not mistaken, this is a Gemini monster? Notice the little part in ( ) that says "effect"?
The effect of Gemini monsters is that they are treated as normal. That's the effect. So when Ceasefire is activated, the player activating it inflicts 500 damage for each effect monster on the field, even Gemini monsters. If Skill Drain is active on the field, any effect monster loses it's effect but remembers the state it was in prior to Skill Drain. This way, if Skill Drain leaves the field, the monster resumes it's prior state.

Gemini monsters, that are not summoned a second time by it's first effect, return to being treated as normal monsters (that's the effect of the monster). They are, however, not normal monsters returning to their "effect" state.
 
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Oh, were you assuming Skill Drain was on the field throughout our argument? Because I wasn't. I was talking about Gemini monsters as is.

I'll accept that Skill Drain always trumps Gemini monsters. So yes, a regular Gemini monster (as opposed to a Second Summoned one) would be an Effect Monster with its only applicable effect (the one that makes it Normal) negated (the effect you gain from Second Summoning isn't applicable, and the "this is how you Second Summon me" thing is more of a definition than an effect).



Goggle Golem: http://www.abctoy4me.com/taev-en023.html

[Rock/Gemini]

No "Effect" anywhere in its type. Perhaps you're looking at RONIN or Deck Studio. They don't have the Gemini classification in yet (like they do Union or Spirit). It'll be in the next major update, I'm sure - it'd require an overhaul of the programs themselves, rather than the library, in order to get it in.
 
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