Giant Orc, GAF, GEF and Lei Lei

[FelixChCh]

I just need a clarification. These cards change to defence position at the end of the battle phase where they ahve attacked. They cannot be changed back to attack positon until the end of the your next turn.

Some players are reading this is per 'Little Winguard' that is they are trying to say they can make a manual battle position change in the end phase of their next turn after attacking.

My reading of this is that the monster stays in defence for two of your opponents turns - that is you cannot make a manual battle position change until your next main phase after your next turn.

I know this is basic, but humour me I have a bad cough.

 

[John Danker]

The monster text is easily misunderstood. Your assumption is correct. The monsters battle position may not be manually changed until the end phase of your next turn....we know you can't make a manual battle position change except for in Main phases. Your opponent could, however, take control of your said monster after your turn and manually change it to attack position. This was the intent.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Turn 1: Player A does whatever...
Turn 2: Player B Summons Goblin Attack Force and attacks.
Turn 3: If player A takes control of GAF it's position cannot be changed manually
Turn 4: Player B cannot manually change the position of GAF
Turn 5: If player A takes control of GAF player A can change its battle position.
Turn 6: Player B can change GAF battle position.

 

[Fuzzman]

That seems to be the case. You have to wait 2 turns to attacl again seems quite bad with 0 Def. Thats why I prefer Spear Dragon.

 

[squid]

That 0 defense is still useful for Fiend Decks, in the case of Giant Orc. Its how Necrofear and Bark of Dark Ruler get some fun, and why Deck Destruction Virus can get play.

 

[FelixChCh]

Thanks folks. Someone was getting quite heated at the Sneak Preview over Lei Lei, but I stuck to my guns.

 

[roadhouse007]

WOW. Been playing GAF wrong for a while. We always thought if your opponent uses Snatch Steal or something to take control of it, he can change its battle position. Goblin Attack Force is one of those cards that I didn't get that technical on. Oops to that though! Man I suck!

 

[John Danker]

Go with Goblin Elite Task Force instead (if you can get your hands on them) 2200 atk, 1500 def. same effect as Goblin Attack Force and Giant Orc.

 

[Akabane]

The best choice is Goblin Elite Attack Force because it actually has a better chance at living to see another day of attacking without the assistance of the Kurogane trap.

 

[FelixChCh]

Just Noticed...

Just noticed that Giant Orc has different text to the other three. LeiLei, GAF and GEAF all have the same text, Giant Orc says ...

Giant Orc
Effect Monster (Fiend / DARK / 4 Stars / ATK 2200 / DEF 0)

If this card attacks, it is changed to Defense Position at the end of the Battle Phase. You cannot change this battle position until the end of your next turn.

Would this text imply that my opponent could still change the position on the turn following me using Giant Orc to attack?

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

If this card attacks, it is changed to Defense Position at the end of the Battle Phase. You cannot change this battle position until the end of your next turn.

Would this text imply that my opponent could still change the position on the turn following me using Giant Orc to attack?

"You" always refers to the current controller of the card. So when your opponent has control of Giant Orc, your opponent is now the "You" in the card text. (But your still means you, or rathe the original you, not the opponent that's now you.. :drugged: )

 

[FelixChCh]

Er ... Cool. Hm. So in other words it acts exactly the same as the others?