Goblin attack force VS change of heart

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magic-snake

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i have a question. what if you attack with goblin attack force. and your opponent then uses change of heart to take the f/u def attack force.

can he turn it to atk position?

the last time this question was asked the cards text was differnt from what it now is and the only arguement made was the card text. the currect card text would allow the position to be changed thus. what is correct? a reply ASAP plz
 
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It's in issue one of the ARRJ;
The effect of "Goblin Attack Force" applies even if control of "Goblin Attack Force" changes.
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or a better explaination from issue 2
Regardless of changes in control, "Goblin Attack Force" may not change its position until after the second End Phase of the player who originally attacked with "Goblin Attack Force" as long as "Goblin Attack Force" remains face-up on the field.
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Hope that covers it.
 
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no it does not. those rulings clearly go by the old text of the card. the new text go's like this:
Card Text
When this card attacks, it is changed to Defense Position at the end of the Battle Phase. This position cannot be changed during your next turn.

the old text go's:
if this card attacks it is changed to defense position at the end of your battle phase.you cannot change this position untill the end of your next turn.

see the huge differnce?
 
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Well it'd still be waiting on the end of the next turn of the person who controlled it when it attacked so the above rulings should still apply.
In fact if anything the old text would've meant that the rulings above would not apply.
 
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look at the text. it stay:
"during your next turn" as in..say your in turn 3. you attack. your next turn would be turn 5. turn 4 is the opponents turn, he steals it and changes it since its not turn 5 but turn 4.

minor edit:
if these are really the rulings ive severaly screwed up with the new text since its contradicts the rulings...oh wait..now it blends in nicely with the rest of the game since next to all cards do that
 
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magic-snake said:
no it does not. those rulings clearly go by the old text of the card. the new text go's like this:
Card Text
When this card attacks, it is changed to Defense Position at the end of the Battle Phase. This position cannot be changed during your next turn.

the old text go's:
if this card attacks it is changed to defense position at the end of your battle phase.you cannot change this position untill the end of your next turn.

see the huge differnce?
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No I do not see the difference. If player a attacks, then player b change of heart's it, his turn is even before player's a next turn. Meaning player b can not change position to attack.
 
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The differnce:
new speaks of: DURING your next turn
old speaks of: UNTILL the end of your next turn

ergo:
new speaks of: between your drawphase and endphase
old speaks of: from the end of your battle phase till you second endphase
 
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magic-snake said:
look at the text. it stay:
"during your next turn" as in..say your in turn 3. you attack. your next turn would be turn 5. turn 4 is the opponents turn, he steals it and changes it since its not turn 5 but turn 4.
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Sorry thought you'd put the new text first.

Still don't see why they'd prevent the owner from changing it's battle position when someone who steals it for a go can, stealing a card for a go doesn't have any reset effects (e.g. Balloon Lizard doesn't lose all it's tokens if someone uses Change of Heart on it).
 
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O.K. Let me see if this is legal?
ply A as Goblin Attack Force on his field that attacked last turn.
ply B (turn) he plays Gemini Elf in attack ,plays Book of Moon on GAF, plays
Change o Heart on the face-down GAF and takes control of it.

now can ply B flip the GAF in face-up attack and attack with both monsters that turn?

I throught the rule for Book of Moon, if it was used the monster can
not be flip in the same turn or as that changed?





Answer:

Yes, they could attack with the "Goblin Attack Force" if this is what occured.


Turning a monster from face-up Defense Position to face-down Defense Position is NOT a change of Battle Position.

That is why the face-up Defense Position "Goblin Attack Force" could be Flip-Summoned after being turned to face-down Defense Position by "Book of Moon."

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CurtisSchultz_netrep@hotmail.com

In this post it is implied the only way that opponent could use to attack with GAF would be to reset the monster.
 
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well look at the above posts i made, the new one speaks of DURING while the old one spoke of UNTILL

there are also no rulings on netrep or FAQ on goblin now and with the new text i dont think the old rulings should be trusted. ofcourse its perfectly possible the rulings havent changed and UDE just made another sh!tty transelation as usual..but i thought that mainly happend only during the first time, not after the bloody errata
 
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err..if it was...how come the orc is now saying:
Card Text giant orc
When this card attacks, it is changed to Defense Position at the end of the Battle Phase. This position cannot be changed until the end of your next turn.

and the goblin is saying:
Card Text goblin attack force
When this card attacks, it is changed to Defense Position at the end of the Battle Phase. This position cannot be changed during your next turn.
 
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You are correct about not having a recent ruling. Having GAF for your next turn in defense is the way I have ruled it. I posted a question to the yahoo site about a year ago after a problem at the Columbus regional. The head judge was allowing Giant Orc to be changed in the next endphase. The answer to my post then was" Giant Orc was just like GAF. No matter if your opponent CoH it, it can not be changed". This was at the end of the post. But I can not find that post in the archives. I believe the easiest way to know for sure would be to post it on the judge list. Do you wish to or should I?
 
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Where'd you get this errata, it's nowhere on the official UDE erratas on the UDE site.
Lol, just check the card registry here and elsewhere, it was just a NetRep staff member taking liberties when retyping the text, check the picture and you'll see that the text is the same as it was and same applies to other sites where you can clearly see the DB1-EN part. This whole thread is moot!
 
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magic-snake said:
err..if it was...how come the orc is now saying:
Card Text giant orc
When this card attacks, it is changed to Defense Position at the end of the Battle Phase. This position cannot be changed until the end of your next turn.

and the goblin is saying:
Card Text goblin attack force
When this card attacks, it is changed to Defense Position at the end of the Battle Phase. This position cannot be changed during your next turn.
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There is no mention of it on the Official Stie at all...for either card.

The actual pics in the Card Registry display both GAF and GO as have EXACTLY the same text, and the are from the newer printings.

If you are basing this soley on the retyping of the text in the Card Registry, then i would say that the Card Registry is incorrect.

Both GAF and GO have exactly the same text.

"When this card attacks, it is changed to Defense Position at the end of the Battle Phase. This position cannot be changed until the end of your next turn."
 
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novastar said:
There is no mention of it on the Official Stie at all...for either card.

The actual pics in the Card Registry display both GAF and GO as have EXACTLY the same text, and the are from the newer printings.

If you are basing this soley on the retyping of the text in the Card Registry, then i would say that the Card Registry is incorrect.

Both GAF and GO have exactly the same text.

"When this card attacks, it is changed to Defense Position at the end of the Battle Phase. This position cannot be changed until the end of your next turn."
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Yeah we're having a discussion of this in another thread, seems a few other sites have the picture saying one thing whereas the site itself says another...
 
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daivahataka said:
Yeah we're having a discussion of this in another thread, seems a few other sites have the picture saying one thing whereas the site itself says another...
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"When this card attacks, it is changed to Defense Position at the end of the Battle Phase. This position cannot be changed during your next turn."

That is the old text...Realms has a pic of the original card and it is printed on it. It caused massive headaches in the past, for the exact reason magic-snake is presenting.

http://www.yugiohrealms.com/card.php?view=card&id=PSV-094

The text has been changed to exactly what GO states, so that it works properly.
 
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http://www.igforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=35141
djp952 said:
The online image is right, and the online text is wrong. RONIN and my post above have the correct information for this card.

I apologize -- I did not realize that the online card registry was in conflict with RONIN and the image. I will need to send out a new "all text" update for the online site, it appears.
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It's nearly 2 A.M. here and I'm still in work, I'm too tired for any more mysteries, need sleep.... :(
 
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