Goldd and Exchange

[frostmonarch]

If I have played Exchange and my opponent selects my Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World to go to his hand, and then I discard Goldd Wu Lord to the graveyard using Don Zaloog's effect, does my opponent get the effect of Goldd coming to the field or do I? And if I get the effect of Goldd coming to the field would I get his secondary effect of destroying two cards on the field?

Thanks

 

[Deathjester]

Goldd is discarded to your Graveyard so it's Special Summoned to your side of the field. Since you were the opponent to its effect when it was discarded, you would also get the second effect.

 

[frostmonarch]

Thanks for the info.

 

[Kyhotae]

Since you were the opponent to its effect when it was discarded, you would also get the second effect.

Incorrect. "Goldd, Wu-Lord of Darkworld" checks who's effect sent him to the Graveyard when it activates. Since it activates in your Graveyard, and your effect sent him there, you do not get the second effect.

 

[Maruno]

Kyhotae is correct here. Cards can only exist in their owner's Graveyard, so in your example Goldd goes to your opponent's Graveyard (because they are Goldd's owner). Then read what Kyhotae said.


EDIT: It was 2am when I wrote this post, and the wording of the question threw me a little. So I read it incorrectly. Here's what I should have said:

Goldd goes from your opponent's hand to your Graveyard. It was sent to your Graveyard by a card effect, so it is Special Summoned on your side of the field.

However, the card effect that sends Goldd to the Graveyard needs to be your opponent's if you want the second effect. It needs to be your opponent's compared to where Goldd was in a hand and in a Graveyard. It was your effect discarding it from your opponent's hand, so that's okay. However, the card effect is on the same side of the field as your Graveyard, so it's not an opponent's effect there. It's yours.

So Goldd would be Special Summoned to your side of the field, but it wouldn't get its second effect. That sounds about right.

 

[HorusMaster]

Kyhotae is correct here. Cards can only exist in their owner's Graveyard, so in your example Goldd goes to your opponent's Graveyard (because they are Goldd's owner). Then read what Kyhotae said.

Incorrect...Goldd goes back to the owner's graveyard, not the controller's graveyard and in this case, the opponent was the controller, not the owner. Goldd will get special summoned to the field, not on the opponent's side but the owner's side. He does not, however, get the second effect.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Incorrect. "Goldd, Wu-Lord of Darkworld" checks who's effect sent him to the Graveyard when it activates.

From Vampire Lord's rulings i'd say it'd have to check both, in the graveyard AND who's the opponent from where it was discarded.

I.E. If your opponent has your Goldd from Exchange and your Opponent activates Card Destruction you will also NOT get the second effect of Goldd as it wasn't the effect of it's controller's opponent.

If your opponent has your gold in his/her hand, there is no way to get Goldd's Second effect no matter whose effect discards it from there.

 

[Kyhotae]

"Vampire Lord" doesn't check who's the opponent from where it was destroyed. It checks whose effect destroyed it. If the owner's effect destroyed it, then it doesn't come back.

If your opponent has your "Goldd - Wu-lord of Dark World" from "Exchange" and then activates "Card Destruction", "Goldd - Wu-lord of Dark World" will activate in your Graveyard, notice that it was sent there by the opponent's effect and activate the second effect at the same time.

 

[John Danker]

I'm not quite sure we're talking the same thing here Kyhotae but I think it best you review the rulings for Vampire Lord. (or I'm misunderstanding your meaning) If I'm the owner of Vampire Lord and you control it, it's your turn and you summon Sangan and then activate Torrential Tribute.....Vampire Lord's effect does not activate and it will not be special summoned to my side of the field on my standby phase.

Is that something similar to what you're referring to or have I misunderstood what you're trying to say?

 

[masterwoo0]

I'm not quite sure we're talking the same thing here Kyhotae but I think it best you review the rulings for Vampire Lord. (or I'm misunderstanding your meaning) If I'm the owner of Vampire Lord and you control it, it's your turn and you summon Sangan and then activate Torrential Tribute.....Vampire Lord's effect does not activate and it will not be special summoned to my side of the field on my standby phase.

Is that something similar to what you're referring to or have I misunderstood what you're trying to say?

I think you nailed it John. Sounded like he said Vampire Lord didn't care who controlled when it was destroyed on the field to me also.

 

[frostmonarch]

Thanks for the corrections.

 

[Kyhotae]

I was talking about the controller of the effect that destroys it, not necessarily which side of the field it's on. I wasn't speaking to that so I didn't check that part of the rulings, but I can see the confusion. Sorry for not being clear.

Either way, "Vampire Lord" is not the same thing as "Dark World" monsters, so you can't really compare them.

 

[skey23]

I'm a bit late, but I'd just like to back up DaGuy on this one. If a Dark World monster is not in the Owner's hand when it's discarded, then it's 2nd effect will not kick off, no matter who discarded it.

Sorry.

 

[exiledforcefreak]

comparing vampire lord to goldd is like comparing apples and oranges. they are worded differantly.

-Plyer A uses exchange to give player B player his/her Goldd.
-Player A attacks with Don Zaloog and causes player B to discard the afformentioned Goldd
-Player A special summons Goldd to his/her side of the field; player A does NOT get to destroy 2 cards on the field

Goldd's effect activates in the graveyard.

end of story :sasuke_je