Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World vs Bottomless Trap Hole

[Digital Jedi]

Could be the lack of sleep or food is muddling my thinking. Could be as plain as the nose on my face. But thi strikes my as odd.

If "Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World" is discarded by your opponent's card effect, when his effect resolves, he is Special Summoned first, and then the second part of his effect resolves. So the opponent cannot activate "Bottomless Trap Hole" or "Torrential Tribute"; the timing is no longer correct. Also, you could not draw a card for the effect of "Card of Safe Return".

Interesting. This is a single effect with two parts. But since when can we not respond to a summon with Bottomless Trap Hole because an effect is part of the summon? How is this different from a monster being summoned with an Ignition Effect and then chaining Bottomless Trap Hole to that effect?

 

[skey23]

Then why can you BTH Mobious and Breaker when the last thing that happens is not a summon, and you cannot chain to a summon?

To add to what Digital Jedi said, and also to re-point this out. The effect(s) of the Dark World monsters activates in the Graveyard, NOT on the field as with "Mobius" and "Breaker".

Digital Jedi pretty much explained everything else I was gonna say...lol.

The whole 'dependent upon the summoning' terminology, I think, is making people confused. None of the effects of the Dark World monsters are 'dependant upon their summoning'. They are 'dependant upon their discarding' would be a more correct statement or terminology, I think.