Graverobber vs. Exchange

[-Xe0-]

HI Guys,
I got a few questions for you:
1. When is a card declared as "used" or not? I found on the Judge List two posts: When i discard the robbed card its declared as "used" (so i´ll take damage), but if i set it, its not "used" (no damage for me).
2. Is the card declared as "used" if either i play Exchange on it or my opponent does? (So will i take damage in this case?)
3. When the card has changed the hands due the effect of exchange, will it still be returned to the Graveyard at the end of the Turn?
4. Will my opponent take damage if he use the robbed card?

thx for reply
greetz
Xe0

 

[masterwoo0]

"Using" the card, in my opinion, is anything that you do outside of setting, keeping as hand, or a Game Mechanics.

1. If you take "Pot of Greed" and activate it to draw 2 cards, you have used it. 2000 Damage

2. If you take "Double Spell" from your opponents Graveyard, and your opponent activates Call of the Haunted (not in a chain) and you activate Raigeki Break and discard Double Spell, you have used it. 2000 Damage

3. If you take "Heavy Storm" from you opponents Graveyard, and you attack his face-down Morphing Jar, forcing you to discard your hand and redraw 5 new cards, you have not used Heavy Storm as it was discarded by an effect controlled by your opponent and does not affect the amount of cards you will draw. 0 Damage

4. If you take "Giant Trunade" from your opponents Graveyard, and you activate Card Destruction, you discard all cards in your hand, and redraw the same amount of cards. This is somewhat tricky, but I would say that in this case, the card was used to resolve an effect, as it was part of your hand and determines how many cards you will draw from your deck, since the effect of Card Destruction only states that you "discard" your hand, and not the location of the discarded cards. 2000 Damage


Exchange is not a Quick-Play, so you would only be able to pass a card to your opponent on your turn, if you used Graverobber.

If your opponent on "his" turn, however, used Exchange after you used Graverobber, and the result was that he obtained the card you took from his Graveyard, then the "You" in Graverobber is not "Him", and he is not affected by Graverobber's effect. As far as the card going back to the Graveyard at the end of the turn, I would say that since you no longer control the card by Graverobber's effect, the card is no longer bound to return to the Graveyard.

 

[-Xe0-]

thy for reply ... most of it is the same as i though
greetz
Xe0

 

[roadhouse007]

Ok. I see room for discussion here. I think that it is considered used for the sake of Graverobber if the card leaves your hand.

" Select 1 Spell Card from your opponent's Graveyard. You can use it as your hand until the end of the turn. If you use it, you take 2000 points of damage. "


Wouldn't it be considered using the card if you no longer had the card in your hand?If you set the card, when you set it on the field you take the 2000 damage if I'm not mistaken. This would leave me to believe that even if you gave the magic card retrieved to your opponent through Exchange, or if you attacked a Morphing Jar and had to discard the card retrieved. Any other opinions on the matter?

 

[masterwoo0]

For one, you are not using the card selected from Graverobber for Exchange's effect. Each player selects a card from the "other" players hand. So I cannot choose to give my opponent the card I took from his Graveyard.

Secondly, setting a card is not the same as using it, just as setting a monster card is not the same as summoning it.

 

[roadhouse007]

Like I said, Graverobber states you are using the magic card as your hand for the turn. If a card you are using as your hand leaves your hand, you no longer control the card. In my opinion I would consider that being used.


As for the setting it, would the card (if set) still return to the opponents graveyard at the end of the turn? Not that it matters, because the judge list says you wouldn't take damage. That seems inconsistent with the wording and the way the card should work, at least in my opinion.

Not that your opponent would even take the card for Exchange if you were the one to activate it, being it goes back to his graveyard at the end of the turn, unless it was the only card in your hand at the time.

If you can direct me to the post on the judges list that states damage is taken if discarded? (Although I agree with it anyways, I just want to have the source to refer to)

And also to the one that states that the damage is not taken if you decide to set the card.