Several comments in regard to the original Judge list post:
This is some things I have to clarify for my edification
Player A: Has a Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8 and a set Spiritual Fire Art
- Kurenai from the previous turn. He activates Megamorph, and it resolves
successfully. Now Horus' Orginal Attack should be 6000. Now he Activates
Spiritual Fire Art - Kurenai on his Horus The Black Flame Dragon LV8.
Will he do 3000 or 6000 points of damage?
Same Scenario except of Spiritual Fire Art - Kurenai, he has a Catapult Turtle.
He tributes his Horus equiped with Megamorph which is currently at 6000 atk with
Catapult Turtle, How much damage will he inflict?
Last one I promise
Same Set up except Instead of Spiritual Fire Art - Kurenai, he has Ectoplasmer.
And in the End Phase he Tributes his Horus equipped with Megamorph (6000atk) for
the effect of Ectoplasmer. How much damage will he do?
Thanks in Advance
Stephen Ore
Yu-Gi-Oh! Judge
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ANSWER:
In all of these situations the monster is Tributed before the amount of damage is determined.
The monster is sent to the Graveyard --> Then you determine the damage for the effect.
So you look at the Original ATK of the Monster Card in the Graveyard, which is 3000 for "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8".
Dan Scheidegger
Jr. Game Designer
Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D
Upper Deck Entertainment
"Spiritual Fire Art - Kurenai" does indeed tribute the monster first to the Graveyard and then looks at the ORIGINAL ATK of the monster in the Graveyard to inflict damage. Here's the text of the card: Tribute 1 FIRE monster on your side of the field. Inflict damage to your opponent's Life Points equal to the original ATK of the Tributed monster.
The ruling is correct and straightforward according to the text of the card which has no errata.
The ruling on "Catapult Turtle" has changed since the text of CT has been updated. Here's the old text: "Offer 1 monster on your side of the field as a Tribute to inflict Direct Damage equal to half of the Tribute monster's ATK to your opponent's Life Points. Monsters used for a Tribute Summon or that are offered as Tributes due to other cards' effects are excluded." The former ruling followed the old text.
The newest ruling follows the new text errata: Tribute 1 monster on your side of the field. Inflict damage equal to half of the Tributed monster's ATK to your opponent's Life Points. The monster is tributed first and then you look at the tributed monster's ATK while in the Graveyard. The ruling is consistent with the card's current text.
For "Ectoplasmer", UDE Dan's answer is correct regarding inflicting damage equal to only half the original ATK; however, I agree it's not because you wait until the monster hits the Graveyard. Here's the text of "Ectoplasmer": Only once during each player's End Phase, the turn player Tributes 1 face-up monster on his/her side of the field and inflicts damage to the opponent's Life Points equal to half of the original ATK of the Tributed Monster. We use half the ORIGINAL ATK because that's what the card says; same as with "Spiritual Fire Art - Kurenai". The present tense/past tense argument doesn't work here since we are using the original ATK.
In almost all cases, the original ATK of the monster will be the ATK printed on the card, except when you see text that says "The original ATK of this card becomes..." such as with "Fusilier Dragon" and "Behemoth the King of All Animals". These monsters have their original ATK set at the amount mandated by their summon method. The original ATK of ATK=? is zero.
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