Hysteric Party

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frostmonarch

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Hello,
If I activated Hysteric Party and then discard a Harpy Lady to activate the Party's effect, can I special summon the Harpy Lady that I discarded to activate the Party's effects?

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I guess the above reasons were not enough...

I didn't wanna do this, but look at call of the haunted:

"Select 1 monster from your Graveyard and Special Summon it in face-up Attack Position. When this card is removed from the field, destroy the monster. When the monster is destroyed, destroy this card."

It's worded the same exact way.
 
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It's worded the same exact way.
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The exact same, ambiguous way. If we didn't have Call of the Haunted, could anybody really say this isn't a once-per-turn ignition effect?

Even Call itself is not specific about it's effect. We've always assumed it only occurs at resolution of the trap. But heck, when I was a novice I thought Ultimate Offering could only be used once. I don't see grammatically anything in the wording of Call that proves one way or the other, except for the used of the word "the" to describe the summoned monster.
 
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Well, to play Devil's Advocate here...lol.

"Call of the Haunted" has the clause that when the monster is destroyed, so is "Call of the Haunted", "Hysteric Party" doesn't.

Because the card doesn't care what happens to the monsters, it could be argued it's an Ignition-type effect, and that discarding the card is the cost for activating the effect.


But, as I've said several times before. Due to the lack of any official American rulings from UDE, it's pretty pointless to argue one side or the other because you don't have any 'real' proof to back up your statements...lol.
 
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um... one could also argue that koonami
A)didn't want all the harpie monsters being destroyed when only one was destroyed OR
B)didn't want hysteric party to be destroyed after only one of the harpie monsters it special summoned was destroyed
 
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Actually, i'd say Premature Burial has a closer tie, text wise, to this effect.

[Premature Burial]
Pay 800 Life Points. Select 1 monster from your Graveyard, Special Summon it on the field in face-up Attack Position, and equip it with this card. When this card is destroyed, destroy the equipped monster.

[Hysteric Party]
Discard 1 card from your hand. Special Summon as many "Harpie Lady" cards as possible from your Graveyard. When this card is removed from the field, destroy all the monsters that were Special Summoned by this card's effect.

If we forget about the card-type for a moment (including equipping and targeting), you clearly see the templating similarity.

Just more thoughts
 
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I can't wait for the ruling. They already took care of the "Sonic Shooter" confusion (which I didn't see until someone explained it to me. I guess I take things too literally). Hopefully, the "Hysteric Party" ruling won't be far behind.
 
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to reiterate:
exiledforcefreak said:
Text:
Discard 1 card from your hand. Special Summon as many "Harpie Lady" cards as possible from your Graveyard. When this card is removed from the field, destroy all the monsters that were Special Summoned by this card's effect.

-When a card has a cost it will be in the first sentance. Remember that costs are paid at the activation of the card.
Conclusion: You must discard a card when you activate this card, at no point after the activation of this card may you discard another card.

-When a card has multiple effects they are seperated by periods. These effects may still reference each other.
Conclusion: The effect that special summons "harpie lady" cards is seperate from the one that destroys all monsters special summoned by hysteric party's effect.
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Actually your conclusions about cost are incorrect concerning Continuous Cards.

In the case of Hysteric Party the discard is actually both card and effect activation (more effect than card to be honest) cost in one. Since the effect is activated at the same time as the card.

A true card activation cost would be Skill Drain.
 
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novastar said:
Actually your conclusions about cost are incorrect concerning Continuous Cards.

In the case of Hysteric Party the discard is actually both card and effect activation (more effect than card to be honest) cost in one. Since the effect is activated at the same time as the card.

A true card activation cost would be Skill Drain.
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Um, what? How is activating Hysteric Party and discarding a card not "true" card activation cost? You've discarded a card for the cost of activating Hysteric Party. That sounds pretty much like a "true" card activation cost to me.

As for Skey's comment about Hysteric Party not having that clause statement about monster destruction like Call of the Haunted has. I would have to reply to that is, what a wonderful question you bring up! XD

Look at the card for a moment. It doesn't say anything about monsters being destroyed that it would be destroyed because if it did then we'd have that text to look at. Right now, from the point of view of the lack of card text and rulings, the card's effect can be activated after card activation as many times as possible.

Now think of this for a moment.

I activate Hysteric Party. My opponent responds to the Special Summonings with Royal Oppression. Can I not activate the same exact Hysteric Party again? =)
 
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Tkwiget said:
Um, what? How is activating Hysteric Party and discarding a card not "true" card activation cost? You've discarded a card for the cost of activating Hysteric Party. That sounds pretty much like a "true" card activation cost to me.
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It is a semantical debate, so i'm just gonna say a little and leave it... because it's really not important.

Conceptually, when you have both card and effect activated at the same time, the cost is technically being paid for both. Especially since it's a non-continuous effect in this case, that is activated at the same time as the card itself. It being a Continuous Card does blurr the lines a bit, but to suggest that the "." makes it an card activation cost is not correct.

A true card activation cost, strictly intended to bring the card into play would be something like [Toon World].

Anyway, not a big deal.
 
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