In a Slump

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Tai Long

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I have been playing Yu-gi-Oh for 3 years now, and even though I haven't won a single tournament, I have managed to get a win here and there.

But recently, I haven't won ANYTHING! I went to one Hobby League tournament with a Warrior deck, but it kept getting hammered by the Monarchs.
Then I went to a Traditional tourney the same day, taking a Machine Fusion deck (Yes, it had Chimeratech Overdragon), and I was out in the 1st round in 2 TURNS!

I've tried everything. I have had decks of Cyber Stein, Warrior Toolbox, the Machine Fusion deck I mentioned earlier, Dark World, and even Monarchs. And nothing seems to work!

I'm down to my last nerve on this. I need to know how to beat this slump, or I'm going to push my own personal Self-Destruct Button......Literally! :(
 
I've tried everything. I have had decks of Cyber Stein, Warrior Toolbox, the Machine Fusion deck I mentioned earlier, Dark World, and even Monarchs. And nothing seems to work!
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What kind of Warrior Toolbox?

Have you tried returning to a basic aggro deck with Cyber Dragons, Berserk Gorillas, and Goblin Elite Attack Forces?

My suggestion to you would be to consider what you want more: A fun deck, or a winning deck. If you really would prefer a winning deck, then it may be what has happened is over time you've gotten too elaborate in your deck styles. So far as I know, there's only one cure for this: Start completely over, eliminate all combos and "techy" cards from your deck, and play with something totally boring for a little while. Gradually, you can start to incorporate more of a theme into your deck to build its strength, but be VERY careful not to over-do it, or you'll fall into the same trap over again.

If you're getting hammered by monarchs and losing in two turns, that probably means you just don't have the raw strength to maintain strong field presence for long. In other words, your decks must be too techy.
 
Jason_C said:
What kind of Warrior Toolbox?

Have you tried returning to a basic aggro deck with Cyber Dragons, Berserk Gorillas, and Goblin Elite Attack Forces?

A couple of Cyber Dragons, but not the other 2.

If you're getting hammered by monarchs and losing in two turns, that probably means you just don't have the raw strength to maintain strong field presence for long. In other words, your decks must be too techy.
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So in other words, I should just give up all my cards and create a deck of literaly nothing?
 
Ouch, now that's taking advice in the complete opposite direction and being blunt about it.

Just keep working with your deck and keep testing it, only half of everything about this game revolves around skills and what you have. The other half is luck. Just try rethinking all the concepts of your deck and come up with something completely new, go crazy and maybe combine multiple concepts.

Don't give though, I know that you're distraught about not winning but a slump is a slump, they don't last forever.
 
Tai Long said:
So in other words, I should just give up all my cards and create a deck of literaly nothing?
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No, I'm saying you should tuck some of your fancy, fun cards in a drawer for a week or two and play with something less entertaining. Then when you get the fun cards back out again, be careful not to go combo-heavy.

Trust me on this: If you're getting pounded by monarch aggro, it's because your deck is not making it's combos flow properly.
 
Jason_C said:
No, I'm saying you should tuck some of your fancy, fun cards in a drawer for a week or two and play with something less entertaining. Then when you get the fun cards back out again, be careful not to go combo-heavy.

Trust me on this: If you're getting pounded by monarch aggro, it's because your deck is not making it's combos flow properly.
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You mean just put all my cards away and just get some Normal, low level, low ATK/DEF monsters. That's not a bad idea.
 
I am not sure that is exactly what Jason_C was saying, but if it works for you, then go to it. I think Jason_C was suggesting more of a straight Beatdown build with limited combos and see how it performs. Then take that knowledge learned and go from there. I know what he is talking about. I call it 'getting to close', I can't see the combos for the Fiends or something like that.:D Sometimes it is too easy to get wrapped up in all the nifty little tricks and that is when you get bogged down.
 
Jason_C means that you should cut down dramatically on all the combos in your Deck (possibly even eliminate them all entirely) and play with a Deck filled with cards that work well on their own to give advantages. That way you're more likely to have one (or two) cards in your hand that will solve any problem you face by itself. You don't need to depend on fancy combos involving 3 or more cards just to achieve an effect similar to one that just 1 card provides.

Basically, I would suggest, Cookie Cutter. You might even try netdecking the simplest-looking Deck you can find (likely a Beatdown) that plays well in tournaments, but of course we all officially frown upon that. Doesn't mean you're not allowed to, of course. If you want to win some Duels fast, get yourself a Deck that's proven by thousands of netdeckers to work well.

Then once you're satisfied, bring in combos and originality again.
 
As the others have said, it is very easy to get too used to interesting combos. Many of us at CoG are probably more interested in playing the fun tricky combos with interesting and unusual cards than we are with actually winning. Or perhaps that is just me :)

But certainly try to get back to something basic:

10 summon monster
20 declare attack with monster
30 goto 10
 
I think J means just go back to a straight up beat down deck. with alot of 1900+ monsters. basic M/T's, and such like that. part of it could be your attitude about it. If you go into a match thinkin your gonna get pounded you will. Not that you do that, I'm just going by your attitude right now.

Believe me, I know where you're coming from. I'm currently in the same boat. Don't try different combos, study your opponent, and learn what deck he has, then build one to counter it, and have a diverse side deck. that seems to work for me.
 
I'm sorry for sounding blunt, but "If you can't beat them, join them"
Why do you think cookies are cookies? Because they beat every other deck out there.
I run Fiends, I expect to lose against these decks, no biggie.
If you don't run CC, just play casually.
I apologise for being disuading, but there comes a time in every duelist's life when they must do one of 3 things:
1. Netdeck a CC & become a sheep.
2. Quit
3. Just play for fun & forget tournaments.
People will always say that "my deck is good because it can beat cc" that is a load of bull. *or else it would be the current cc.
How I get around this problem is to main 3X Waboku & Kuriboh in my deck. Its very extreme & I get a lot of hassles for doing it (usually by cc users themselves) but if I didn't/couldn't do that, I'd quit & thats a fact. =)
 
Well, i thought people played for fun anyway. If you ain't havin fun dueling anymore, then step back, and take a break. get away for a minute, and just chill.

otherwise, we do have a deck check thread. Post your deck, and we'll be happy to offer suggestions on how to improve it. ;)
 
Yes, I agree, but from all I have seen, heard, read & witnessed, it all boils down to this. *try & help me out here peeps.

WINNING = Fun
LOSING = Not Fun
CC Decks = WINNING = Fun
Original Decks = LOSING = Not Fun

How's my logic going so far?
 
Necromancer said:
I'm sorry for sounding blunt, but "If you can't beat them, join them"
Why do you think cookies are cookies? Because they beat every other deck out there.
I run Fiends, I expect to lose against these decks, no biggie.
If you don't run CC, just play casually.
I apologise for being disuading, but there comes a time in every duelist's life when they must do one of 3 things:
1. Netdeck a CC & become a sheep.
2. Quit
3. Just play for fun & forget tournaments.
People will always say that "my deck is good because it can beat cc" that is a load of bull. *or else it would be the current cc.
How I get around this problem is to main 3X Waboku & Kuriboh in my deck. Its very extreme & I get a lot of hassles for doing it (usually by cc users themselves) but if I didn't/couldn't do that, I'd quit & thats a fact. =)
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wow... i cant believe i just read that... dont let Jaelove, or any one else read that, or they will let you know how they tried new things and helped reinvent the metas at they go... I remember when I started using Skill Drain, nobody was running it back then and it was hurting everyone.... sure am glad i was cookie cutter and or quit, whew.. or else i would not have helped restructure MY meta...

My advice is this, when your deck is having trouble, go back to basics, tear it down, look at it, and figure out what it is tha tmakes it tick, , , then work from there
 
english chef said:
As the others have said, it is very easy to get too used to interesting combos. Many of us at CoG are probably more interested in playing the fun tricky combos with interesting and unusual cards than we are with actually winning. Or perhaps that is just me :)
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Yeah, I can vouch for that! You have some sick combos in that deck I saw today...the kaiser colloseum was the greatest thing I've seen in ways of originality in a while....and if I'm not mistaken you didn't really do that badly, did you?
 
Necromancer said:
Yes, I agree, but from all I have seen, heard, read & witnessed, it all boils down to this. *try & help me out here peeps.

WINNING = Fun
LOSING = Not Fun
CC Decks = WINNING = Fun
Original Decks = LOSING = Not Fun

How's my logic going so far?
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Losing is not fun? hmm. I don't necessarily agree. The last regionals I went to I went 1-6 or something like that. Meaning I won only one duel the whole day. And I had a ball because each and every victory wasn't won easily. In fact, I ran such an obscure deck that few players new what to do to handle it. They just couldn't believe that it was so hard to beat a deck that can 65 cards and 8 monsters. :D

It's not about winning or loosing. It's about the perspective you have on the game as a whole. Step back from it for a little while, then come back again, and you'll find that your game mentality will be refreshed. As a wise Samurai once said, when you go into battle, expect neither defeat nor victory. Expect nothing and you neither win nor loose.
 
Necromancer, there is a fine line between being blunt and being plain harsh and that was just totally harsh. I mean if you tell someone they should just quit they will never try to figure out their problems and take the easy way out.

The way it's being looked at from that perspective is an anomaly. Because in my experience cookietastic cookies are only fun to those who win with them, same with netdecking. But there are others that will do it and win and think it's boring. So it really comes down to how your perception of fun is.

You can still have fun and lose like DJ said because if you play any kind of game with the intent that nothing matters but winning then you're setting yourself up to crash and burn before even reaching the starting line. If everyone who lost to a cookie deck in two turns or just at all quit then there wouldn't be anyone left playing the game at all.

Don't think about it so much, don't make it seem so critical to yourself and just let yourself go and play loosely, let it flow like in a fluid motion.
 
I meant no disrespect. Diplomacy, however is not my strong suit.
I also agree that "quitting" is taking the coward's way out, I do not advocate it, it was merely suggested as an option.
But there are others that will do it and win and think it's boring. So it really comes down to how your perception of fun is.
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Yes, I must agree with this, however I still don't understand how people can find constant losing fun. Especially when it's always the same old boring decktype they lose to.
The thing you all need to understand about me, is that I come from a totally hostile meta. It's natural that I will have certain "misconceptions" based upon my experiences. I would like that to change.
See, it's hard to run an "original" deck when 95% of the tournament is using the latest CC & trying to push us "rogues" out. They wonder why CC's always top 8?
Law of Averages..do the math.
I'm sorry if I sound "rude" or "harsh" I just have had no positive feedback of any kind that an "original" deck can top8, without the words "prove it or shut up"
Fun??? Competitive yugioh is "serious business" imho
 
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