In the rule book 5.0

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StRiKe_NiNjA

Dimension Shift Ninja
On page 20

It says if no "battles" are conducted you go to the end phase of the turn.

So there is no way you can get into Main Phase 2.
 
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Main Phase 2 is only necessary following the Battle Phase. If the Battle Phase was not entered, then there can be no Main Phase 2 because Main Phase 1 pretty much took care of all your summoning/setting/playing. Simply put, a Main Phase 2 immediately after Main Phase 1 would be absolutely pointless without first entering the Battle Phase.
 
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It's slightly misleading the way it is written there. You can enter and exit your Battle Phase and have nothing happen. Say you want to summon "Berserk Gorilla" but don't want to attack. You go from MP1, Battle Phase, MP2 and then summon.

If you decide to skip the Battle Phase altogether, you go to the end phase. Another instance this would come into play is if Helpoemer is in the graveyard. If you skip your battle phase, you go to the end phase, nothing happens. But if you enter it (because you want to do something in main phase 2) and do nothing at all, you still need to resolve the effect of "Helpoemer". So that's the difference you need to be aware of.
 
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using stealth bird

if you have stealth bird on the field face down and you flip him - main phase 1, but do not attack, can he still flip down in main phase 2, because the new rule book in the structure decks, says if you do not attack you go directly to your end phase and it is your opponents turn, which means you would not have a main phase 2, to flip stealth bird back down, or can i say i am entering my battle phase and still get my main phase 2 or do i actually have to battle another monster to get my main phase 2?
 
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You can state you are entering your Battle Phase... do nothing... leave your Battle Phase... and go to MP2, though again, if you aren't planning on attacking you could just simply use "Stealth Bird"'s effect to flip him face-down bacin in MP1 and not worry about it.
 
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According to the last statements from UDE, that is ... of course, they will come back now and say that it's inaccurate and that we should have known that all along -- if pattern holds true on all past ruling changes.
 
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Basically the rulebook is inaccurate correct?

If a player wishes to proceed to Main Phase 2, he/she may do so by entering the Battle Phase then exits the Battle Phase Proceeding to Main Phase 2 correct?
 
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Well, I wouldn't go that far but yet they still decided to confuse the hell out of people with "Ignition Effect (Cost Effect)", which, of course, are the same to some extent but different enough (in my mind) as to warrant two separate entries. Likewise, I didn't see anything about the more detailed version of the Battle Phase/Damage Step. I admit I didn't look very closely since it's been a crazy week, but I don't recall them actually clarifying anything or making it more understandable. The new 5.0 rulebook looks, again, like more of the same with a new gloss.
 
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I'm still thrown by Black Luster Soldier. I know that you must declare that you are activating his effect (Ignition/Cost) in either Main Phase 1 or 2 to remove a monster from the field. At that point your opponent can chain Divine Wrath to negate and destroy him.

But, If the controller declares that they will attack twice in battle, at what point can you activate Divine Wrath? And if you dont declare that you are going to attack twice, is it a "given" that you can, as long as you attacked a monster on the field?
 
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as skey23 stated

When bLs-EoTb destroys a monter in battle, bLs-EoTb meets the contition for a 2nd chance to attack. The Player may choose to activate the effect of having another chance to attack once again in a row. Divine Wrath is played then.

This would be the same case of Mobius the Frost Monarch. If a player successfully Normal Summons Mobius the Frost Monarch and wishes not to activate the effect, then Divine Wrath may not be activated.
 
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That's how I invisioned it to be.

The only time you have to "state" your intentions directly is during Main Phase 1 or 2 if you are going to remove a Monster. Otherwise, when the opportunity comes to attack a monster, you may simply choose not to attack twice.
 
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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
as skey23 stated

When bLs-EoTb destroys a monter in battle, bLs-EoTb meets the contition for a 2nd chance to attack. The Player may choose to activate the effect of having another chance to attack once again in a row. Divine Wrath is played then.

This would be the same case of Mobius the Frost Monarch. If a player successfully Normal Summons Mobius the Frost Monarch and wishes not to activate the effect, then Divine Wrath may not be activated.
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BLS-EoTB 2nd effect is activated when it destroys the first monster. Weather a player chooses to use that effect is another story. (pretty much as you stated)

What people really need to study up on are the paticulars of when an effect is activated. Missing the timing on the activation can easily cost a player their ability to use Divine Wrath.

This is a good example of when a judge can't tell the player too much or he might give them an advantage they wouldn't have otherwise.

Sam calls me in a regional tournament and asks me, "I just used Ring of Destruction to destroy my opponent's Vampire Lord. Can I use Divine Wrath now to negate it's ability to special summon itself from his graveyard?"

My answer, "No" that's all I can tell him at the time.

I can't tell Sam that he has to wait until Vampire Lord's effect activates in the graveyard and at that time he can use Divine Wrath. I can't tell him how or when to use the card. He needs to know how and when to use the cards in his deck.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
That's how I invisioned it to be.

The only time you have to "state" your intentions directly is during Main Phase 1 or 2 if you are going to remove a Monster. Otherwise, when the opportunity comes to attack a monster, you may simply choose not to attack twice.
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It is a conditional Trigger, and it would trigger during the Damage Step during the Resolve Effects portion if the Damage Step. That is my understanding of "when" it is supposed to Trigger.

You could chain Divine Wrath and destroy him at that point.

Its written right on the card: " Once during each of your turns, you can select and activate 1 of the following effects:"

"If this card destroyed your opponent's monster as a result of battle, it can attack once again in a row."

It is an Optional Trigger (based on a condition).

This is not like Hayabusa Knight, were he already has the ability right from the get-go.
 
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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
Basically the rulebook is inaccurate correct?

If a player wishes to proceed to Main Phase 2, he/she may do so by entering the Battle Phase then exits the Battle Phase Proceeding to Main Phase 2 correct?
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Based on how the Battle Phase is constructed anyway, it seems quite clear that you could enter it even with no monsters, and end it without attacking.

Although it is an optional Phase to begin with.

< Battle Phase >

{Start Step}

- Both Player's Pass on activating a Spell Speed 2
- Proceed to Battle Step

{Battle Step}

- Turn Player Passes on declaring an attack or activating a Spell Speed 2
- Opponent Passes on activating a Spell Speed 2
- Proceed to End Step

{End Step}

- Both Player's Pass on activating a Spell Speed 2
- End Battle Phase

</ Battle Phase >

Seems clear to me that you could infact do this. It doesn't seem odd at all.

The Rulebook as said many times, is vague... to say the least.
 
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It's nice to see how this post went from "Skipping the Battle Phase" to correct timing for 'Divine Wrath'....lol..

Can the whole 'Divine Wrath', 'BLS' convo be moved to a new post? I have a feeling it may go on further, especially since I have a few more questions now...he..he..he...

[edit]...oops, now we're back on topic...lol
 
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Thunder of Ruler
Normal Trap
You can only activate this card during your opponent's Standby Phase. During the turn this card is activated, your opponent cannot perform his/her Battle Phase.
"¢ When you activate "Thunder of Ruler", since your opponent cannot enter the Battle Phase, your opponent proceeds from Main Phase 1 to the End Phase.
 
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Subsequent Main Phases (after the first) are defined by the Battle Phases.

If you have two battle phases, you have a main phase after each.

If you have one battle phase, you have a main phase after it.

If you have no battle phase, you don't get an extra main phase.

Basically, you can't skip from Battle Phase to End Phase without a Main Phase in between.
 
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Raijinili said:
If you have two battle phases, you have a main phase after each.
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No. If you have two battle phases in the same turn (which would be possible by the effect of Weather Report), they are consecutive battle phases. There is no Main Phase between them.
 
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