Infernal Dilemma

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Ok this is a card that no one uses, but Im trying to study up on

Infernal Incinerator
Effect Monster (Fiend / FIRE / 6 Stars / ATK 2800 / DEF 1800)

This card can only be Normal Summoned or Set by discarding all card(s) in your hand to the Graveyard except this card, as well as Tributing 1 card with ATK 2000 or higher from your side of the field. Increase the ATK of this monster by 200 points for each monster on your opponent's side of the field. Decrease the ATK of this card by 500 points for each monster on your side of the field, except this card.
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So, the first question is, can you tribute a face down monster with an ATK of 2000 or more to the Graveyard as a legal portion of the summoning requirement?

2. Does the effect count current ATK or original ATK?

3. If a set Fusilier Dragon, the Dual Mode Beast is tributed (assuming Q.1 is yes), and it had been set without Tribute, is the ATK regarded as 1400 for the effect of Infernal Incinerator?

4. Is the 2000 ATK referenced from the Field or the Graveyard?


Basically, these questions are all interelated, and answering one infers answers on the other 3. But I thought I would ask them all distinctly, just to be clear.

Thanks for your help
sQuid


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oh, and am I correct assuming that the modifiying effects are continuous, not triggered?
 
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squid said:
Ok this is a card that no one uses, but Im trying to study up on



So, the first question is, can you tribute a face down monster with an ATK of 2000 or more to the Graveyard as a legal portion of the summoning requirement?

YES

2. Does the effect count current ATK or original ATK?

Doesnt specify and if it doesnt specify then lets assume current

3. If a set Fusilier Dragon, the Dual Mode Beast is tributed (assuming Q.1 is yes), and it had been set without Tribute, is the ATK regarded as 1400 for the effect of Infernal Incinerator?

Im assuming the 1400 but i may be wrong on this

4. Is the 2000 ATK referenced from the Field or the Graveyard?

Lets assume the field and go from there. im pretty sure thats why it says you gotta tribute a monster with 2000 atk from your side of the field.

Basically, these questions are all interelated, and answering one infers answers on the other 3. But I thought I would ask them all distinctly, just to be clear.

Thanks for your help
sQuid


edit:

oh, and am I correct assuming that the modifiying effects are continuous, not triggered?

CORRECT
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Check the quote for answers. i may have been slightly snobby on one question dont mean to be. Im just a cheeky guy :p
 
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Thanks. And you don't sound cheeky.

Look, my wife's whole family moved over from Ireland when she was 15. I got married at the Aughrim St Church, in Dublin. I figure if I can take the cracks from my in-laws, you are going to have to try a whole lot harder to phase me. :p
 
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yay. i like when im right. its happens so rarely.

And squid im sure you dont wanna hear it. its all about asexuality and other bizarre occurances. It scares even me. i got sick the first time i told it somebody.
 
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Ok, going off of the ruling (thanks by the way) for DDV, lets say that I have a face down Flash Assailant that I want to Tribute for Infernal Incinerator. Would its effect be actively considered when the card is checked to confirm it has the required 2000ATK?
 
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Didn't someone say earlier the ATK was checked on the field, not in the Graveyard? And now BenjaminMS is saying it's checked in the Graveyard, not on the field.

Either way, I'd say you can Tribute a face-down Flash Assailant, because while face-down it doesn't have its detrimental effect (technically it doesn't have an ATK either, but if you can Tribute a face-down for Infernal Incinerator, then I'd say this is correct by extension).
 
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eh, I started talking about a Fiend, I figure I would stick with the theme. :)Besides, how many times can you stand hearing the name Fusilier stated, over and over and over again? ;)

thanks for the confirmation. BTW, I tried looking up those rulings, and even going to the Judge's List for additional snippets before posting here for advice. This is for an article for my fellow Fienders and I like to try and keep as much as I can under my hat until Im ready to publish. :)
 
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Maruno said:
Didn't someone say earlier the ATK was checked on the field, not in the Graveyard? And now BenjaminMS is saying it's checked in the Graveyard, not on the field.

Either way, I'd say you can Tribute a face-down Flash Assailant, because while face-down it doesn't have its detrimental effect (technically it doesn't have an ATK either, but if you can Tribute a face-down for Infernal Incinerator, then I'd say this is correct by extension).
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Ah... but that is Fusilier ;) Fusilier makes its ATK and DEF an original DEF and ATK, Flash Assailant just in- and decreases depending on the amount of cards :D
 
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BenjaminMS said:
Flash assailant you said? :eek: Are you sure you don't want to take another example? But it is counted as 2000, since its effect isn't active in the Grave ;)
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This implies that the ATK is checked in the Graveyard. But we already agreed that the ATK had to be correct on the field.
 
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