Infinite Loop??

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Alex (1981 - 2008)<br />Slithery When Wet
Ok I need help on a quick issue:

my Cyber Phoenix + my opponents Machine King + my Snatch Steal

does it become an infinite loop??

Therefore impossible to activated Snatch Steal?
 
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babyarm said:
Yeah, looks like it to me. Can't activate it.
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In the above situation, no, you can't, but if you have other reasons for playing it, like Spell Absorption and a Mystical Space Typhoon, then it will be destroyed before it can resolve, and you still gain life points, and maybe you are going to summon Cyber-Stein or something.

Just a different perspective....
 
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Well, but the rules state that you can't activate a card if it would cause an infinite loop. I'm pretty sure that would stop Snatch Steal from being activated at all, even if you were going to put other cards on the chain that would keep it from resolving. For example, you have Spell Absorption out, you activate Snatch Steal, then chain Mystical Space Typhoon, but then your opponent plays Magic Jammer on Mystical Space Typhoon.
 
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I guess then, it would depend on the Game Condition. I if you have Fire Princess active, and you only need 1000 life points to win, it could be allowed, and then it could end up being that you would only have to destroy the card causing the loop, if a Counter Trap was activated to negate MST.
 
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Im really not seeing how itll become an infinite loop.

its not like the Pole Position thing... Im totally not sure about this so maybe you guys should send the question to the judge's list, it seems complicated enough cause i have 1 opinion about it while others have others and so on. so to come to a consensus its best to just submit the question.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
Im really not seeing how itll become an infinite loop.
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The way I see it, Cyber Phoenix negates targetting effects on machines, so as soon a Snatch Steal finishes resolving Cyber Phoenix would negate the effect and return Machine King back to the owner, but Snatch Steal still being equipped it will try to draw the monster back, and this would continue infinately.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
Im really not seeing how itll become an infinite loop.

its not like the Pole Position thing... Im totally not sure about this so maybe you guys should send the question to the judge's list, it seems complicated enough cause i have 1 opinion about it while others have others and so on. so to come to a consensus its best to just submit the question.
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it'l become an infinite loop because of this:

1. You activate snatch steal on Machine King.
2. Cyber Phoenix negates snatch and Machine King returns.
3. Snatch Steal isn't negated anymore and machine king comes back to you
4. Repeat step 2 and 3 infinitely
 
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It isn't an infinite loop. Cyber Phoenix's first effect is continuous. It's going to over ride Snatch Steal's effect while it's in face up attack position. So the Machine monster would have never switched control in the first place. The only effect of Snatch Steal that will continue to remain after that is the +1000 life points each standby phase.

Think of Horus LV6 v.s. Snatch Steal.

I'm probably wrong anyway. lol
 
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Chillout1984 said:
it'l become an infinite loop because of this:

1. You activate snatch steal on Machine King.
2. Cyber Phoenix negates snatch and Machine King returns.
3. Snatch Steal isn't negated anymore and machine king comes back to you
4. Repeat step 2 and 3 infinitely
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Some how I missed this post. XD
 
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How about
Your opp. has Jinzo
You summon Cyber Phoenix and use Brain Control on your opp. Jinzo.

Does Jinzo switch back?or is he not effected by Brain Controls effect?
 
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the thing about snatch is that while it targets, when it loses its target it would leave the board.

so, there could possibly be no loop.



First the initial target, making it legal cause phoenix doesnt affect the opponents creatures. after this itll come to your side. but the spell resolved legally, so if anything. and i mean if anything what would happen is that Snatch would break.

becuase it no longer has a legal target so its either 1. destroyed. or 2. sent to the gravey becuase of lack of legal target. In this case if its destroyed then itll return to the opponent and it go to grave.

if it is sent, then you keep the creature.

the point to all this is that, it wont start a continous loop. I'm really not seeing it becuase like is said, if the target becomes illegal it would just 1. drop or 2. destroy.

so best bet it just send it in and get a clear answer.

XD
 
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krazykidpsx said:
the thing about snatch is that while it targets, when it loses its target it would leave the board.

so, there could possibly be no loop.



First the initial target, making it legal cause phoenix doesnt affect the opponents creatures. after this itll come to your side. but the spell resolved legally, so if anything. and i mean if anything what would happen is that Snatch would break.

becuase it no longer has a legal target so its either 1. destroyed.
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Why wouldn't it be a legal target? It is still equipped to the initial target, just like playing Snatch Steal and opponent playing his Snatch Steal.
 
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It wouldn't be destroyed. Cyber Phoenix only negates the card (which in no way means it isn't equipped just that it is being negated). Snatch Steal would not be allowed to be activated at all because that would be purposely starting an infinite loop (which is not allowed). It doesn't matter if Fire Princess is on the field or not. If the move will create an infinite loop you can't purposely activate it. In the event that an infinite loop is created due to other effects such as Cyber Phoenix being in defense position when Machine King is already taken by Snatch Steal (note in this case you wouldn't be allowed to change Cyber Phoenix to attack position because that would begin the infinite loop). However if you had an active Labyrinth of Nightmare on the field it could cause the position change and thus an infinite loop would be started with the result being the card that created the infinite loop would be destroyed by game mechanic (Cyber Phoenix in this case since that was the card that created the loop).
 
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anthonyj said:
It wouldn't be destroyed. Cyber Phoenix only negates the card (which in no way means it isn't equipped just that it is being negated). Snatch Steal would not be allowed to be activated at all because that would be purposely starting an infinite loop (which is not allowed). It doesn't matter if Fire Princess is on the field or not. If the move will create an infinite loop you can't purposely activate it.
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An "Infinite Loop" is a state that does nothing. You arent attempting to do nothing, your attempting to end the game by inflicting 1000 damage to your opponents life points.
 
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