IRS + Necrovalley

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DH2K4

Spirit of Dust
This question has been asked on Pojo Q&A board, and after browsing the posts, I came across one that quoted a Judge list message.

If there is Necrovalley on the field, can a player active "Inferno Reckless Summon"?
I don't know if Infernal Reckless Summon target the Graveyard because you can
choose from when you want summon the monsters.

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"Inferno Reckless Summon" does not have an effect that targets. It can be
activated and resolved as normal while "Necrovalley" is on the field.

Justin Reilly
Jr. Game Designer
Upper Deck Entertainment
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Now, going by the current text of Necrovalley:
As long as this card remains on the field, negate the effects of Spell, Trap, and Monster Cards that affect a card(s) in the Graveyard, and neither player can remove cards in the Graveyards from play. Also, as long as this card remains on the field, increase the ATK and DEF of all monsters that include "Gravekeeper's" in their card name by 500 points.

If IRS were to attempt to Special Summon a monster from the graveyard, wouldn't that come under affecting the graveyard in some way, which Necrovalley would then negate the entire effect of IRS, or am I missing something, because I'm now confused.
 
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Inferno Reckless Summoning doesn't know whether it will delve into the Graveyard or not when it activates. It only does so during the resolution of the effect, by which time it is too late for Necrovalley to try to stop it.
 
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Exactly. You dont have to only search the Graveyard for monsters. It also involves your Deck, so it is not a "Graveyard Only" effect, which necrovalley would be looking for.
 
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*points to 'Fiber Jar'*

Justin's probably mistaking it for 'The End of Anubis', since 'Necrovalley' doesn't care if an effect targets or not so long it affects tha graveyard.
 
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Cropz said:
*points to 'Fiber Jar'*

Justin's probably mistaking it for 'The End of Anubis', since 'Necrovalley' doesn't care if an effect targets or not so long it affects tha graveyard.
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See, Dan and I have had a few conversations about "Necrovalley", and from what I've understood from him, I'm in agreement with you Cropz.

But, you can't deny the posted rulings that "Necrovalley" doesn't stop an effect that does not specifically target a card in the Graveyard. As long as that is posted, then there is room for argument on this...lol.
 
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Cropz said:
*points to 'Fiber Jar'*

Justin's probably mistaking it for 'The End of Anubis', since 'Necrovalley' doesn't care if an effect targets or not so long it affects tha graveyard.
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This is because the rulings of Necrovalley are outdated and thus incorrect because of it. So are a lot of other rulings as well. When rulings conflict with one another and from official information of what defines targetting effects (or whatever it happens to be), then you have problems. If they simply fixed just that, we wouldn't have so many annoying little inconsistancies like this one.

Fiber Jar
Question
Penguin Knight

Those three cards don't target anything in the Graveyard. They alter the Graveyard contents, but don't target.

Inferno Reckless Summon
Skilled Dark Magician
Skilled White Magician

Those don't target, yet you guys are saying Inferno Reckless Summon won't be negated. Necrovalley negates effects that affect a card or cards in the Graveyard. Period. That's what it does. So it will negate all six of those cards I've mentioned because of that reason alone. None of them target.

That's just my stand on the subject. @_@
 
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And overall the interesting thing about Justin's explanation is that it really doesn't clarify what we all have been trying to figure out.... "why?".... =P
 
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It's similar to Dark World Lightning v.s. My Body as a Shield. Sure Dark World Lightning has an effect that can destroy a monster, but you can't activate My Body as a Shield when it targets one of your Spell/Trap cards. A better example would be Needle Wall v.s. My Body as a Shield. Ignoring the fact that Needle Wall may or may not destroy a monster, it has an effect to destroy a monster on the field. You roll a die and figure out which monster will be destroyed. The fact remains that if you have multiple empty Monster Zones and Needle Wall hits it that empty zone that nothing is going to be destroyed.

The point I'm trying to illustrate is how Necrovalley functions. Inferno Reckless Summon may or may not affect the Graveyard. The order in which the monsters are summoned from that card goes from the controller of Inferno Reckless Summon to the other player. So if the controller of Inferno Reckless Summon isn't affecting his/her Graveyard, then they get their monsters. If the other player is, then Inferno Reckless Summon is negated.

I was getting this idea from the Book of Life v.s. Call of the Haunted situation.

But like I've said before, as you know a lot about slither, I'm usually wrong about things dealing with Necrovalley.
 
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Tkwiget said:
The order in which the monsters are summoned from that card goes from the controller of Inferno Reckless Summon to the other player. So if the controller of Inferno Reckless Summon isn't affecting his/her Graveyard, then they get their monsters. If the other player is, then Inferno Reckless Summon is negated.
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So that would mean that you get monsters, and your opponent doesn't basically, rather than Necrovalley negating the entire effect right from the start.

It's a good point to make, but we'll have to wait and see whether its the right ruling or not (but I do hope it is).
 
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