Jowgen the Spiritualist and Last Turn
- Thread starter Sarothias
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Yes.
Jowgen the Spiritualst's ability to prevent any special summon while Jowgen is face up on the field will prevent your opponent from summoning a monster to the field when "Last Turn" resolves.
In most cases with this scenario, you would win the round.
- Andrew
Jowgen the Spiritualst's ability to prevent any special summon while Jowgen is face up on the field will prevent your opponent from summoning a monster to the field when "Last Turn" resolves.
In most cases with this scenario, you would win the round.
- Andrew
I need some real rulings on this Jowgen-Last Turn combo, 'cause I keep hearing from one side that it works, and from the other that it doesn't. Something about: Any other case results in a DRAW. that your opponent HAS to be able to special summon a monster and by Jowgen's effect that he can't, thus resulting in a draw.
I know, sounds weird, but I could use some help here.
I know, sounds weird, but I could use some help here.
The 'Any other case results in a DRAW' is dependant upon the end of turn condition (only one player controlling a monster). It doesn't care if a monster was Special Summoned by Last Turn's effect or not.
In short, Last Turn's win condition is not dependant upon its first effect (opponent Special Summons a monster). If the first effect is negated or impossible (by Jowgen for instance), then it is just skipped and the rest of the card is followed.
In short, Last Turn's win condition is not dependant upon its first effect (opponent Special Summons a monster). If the first effect is negated or impossible (by Jowgen for instance), then it is just skipped and the rest of the card is followed.
darthangel
New Member
If Regenerating Mummy is sent to the graveyard by your opponent's Last Turn w/ Jowgen, can you get Mummy back and summon and attack for game? or does it go to main phase 2 after Last Turn's effect?
I'm actually writing a complete breakdown of the "Last Turn" card... its strengths and weaknesses.
But the short version of it for now:
"Last Turn" creates an "instant battle phase" where the monster that is special summoned by the opponent attacks the card that the player chose after activating "Last Turn". Battle damage to opponents' Life Points is reduced to 0 (as per the card effect). So noone can die from a "Last Turn" battle. After that has been resolved, play continues from the phase in which "Last Turn" was activated. Normally though, if the player activating "Last Turn" had "Jowgen the Spiritualist" as his selected monster, then his opponent in most cases has no monsters on the field (can't be special summoned) and no cards in hand so he's forced to just end his turn (nothing else can be done).
However, these situations are some that can give you a chance against a "Last Turn" deck to force a draw if not a win.
a) A card like "Regenerating Mummy" (as per your example) will return from the graveyard to your hand you can then summon him as a normal summon during your Main Phase 1.
b) "Night Assailant" will let you pick another flip effect monster from the graveyard to your hand so you can then normal summon what you chose.
c) If "Witch of the Black Forest", "Sangan", or "Emissary of the Afterlife" is on the field when "Last Turn" is resolving and are sent to the graveyard, their effects will let you pick a card from the deck and add it to your hand which can then be normal summoned.
(All of the above is dependant on the fact that you haven't normal summoned yet during this turn which is usually true since "Last Turn" is often activated in the Draw or Standby phase).
There are other things that you can do as well, but wait til the whole article is finished for those :wink:
- Andrew
But the short version of it for now:
"Last Turn" creates an "instant battle phase" where the monster that is special summoned by the opponent attacks the card that the player chose after activating "Last Turn". Battle damage to opponents' Life Points is reduced to 0 (as per the card effect). So noone can die from a "Last Turn" battle. After that has been resolved, play continues from the phase in which "Last Turn" was activated. Normally though, if the player activating "Last Turn" had "Jowgen the Spiritualist" as his selected monster, then his opponent in most cases has no monsters on the field (can't be special summoned) and no cards in hand so he's forced to just end his turn (nothing else can be done).
However, these situations are some that can give you a chance against a "Last Turn" deck to force a draw if not a win.
a) A card like "Regenerating Mummy" (as per your example) will return from the graveyard to your hand you can then summon him as a normal summon during your Main Phase 1.
b) "Night Assailant" will let you pick another flip effect monster from the graveyard to your hand so you can then normal summon what you chose.
c) If "Witch of the Black Forest", "Sangan", or "Emissary of the Afterlife" is on the field when "Last Turn" is resolving and are sent to the graveyard, their effects will let you pick a card from the deck and add it to your hand which can then be normal summoned.
(All of the above is dependant on the fact that you haven't normal summoned yet during this turn which is usually true since "Last Turn" is often activated in the Draw or Standby phase).
There are other things that you can do as well, but wait til the whole article is finished for those :wink:
- Andrew
the.wise.duelist
New Member
if your opponent doesnt have jowgan, with last turns effect could your opponent get an injection fairy lily and you choose a insect queen, who would win??? This came up at my tourny.
Remember that the player who activates Last Turn is considered the defender. They are not initiating an attack. They also do not Special Summon. They only have among their monsters on the field to choose from when Last Turn resolves. Now assuming that the player activating Last Turn kept an Insect Queen, no problem. If they kept Injection Fairy Lily, they are likely in a load of trouble as they do not have enough Life Points to activate its effect (unless they chained Last Turn with Poison of the Old Man or similar). If the opponent of the player who activated Last Turn takes Injection Fairy Lily and has over 2000 Life Points, they may use its effect. If Insect Queen is chosen, it will still attack even if there are no eligible Tributes. This is because Last Turn is forcing the attack (similar to Dark Spirit of the Silent). No costs are paid. The monster just attacks.
Maester Bacman
New Member
Dlanaan said:
This applies like when Bait Doll activates a trap with activation costs. Those costs are also not paid.
Last Turn has been for long time a Headache, but fortunately, the rulings for this card have been getting clear with the time.
UnwantedChild
New Member
Um, I'm sorry if I'm too late, but here is what I think:
Player A has Jowgen face up and Last Turn Face Down and ends. Opponent Dars, and Last Turn activates, forcing all other cards to go back to the owners' hands, except for 1 monster on the defender's side, Jowgen. Player B Special Summons a monster, and Player A actiavtes Jowgens effect, winning, since the opponent had gotten a monster, and it was destroyed.
I am not sure when you can Activate Jowgen's effect, but if I'm correct, it's a trigger effect. I think that the above scenario is a correct one, if not, then nevermind.
Player A has Jowgen face up and Last Turn Face Down and ends. Opponent Dars, and Last Turn activates, forcing all other cards to go back to the owners' hands, except for 1 monster on the defender's side, Jowgen. Player B Special Summons a monster, and Player A actiavtes Jowgens effect, winning, since the opponent had gotten a monster, and it was destroyed.
I am not sure when you can Activate Jowgen's effect, but if I'm correct, it's a trigger effect. I think that the above scenario is a correct one, if not, then nevermind.
Bigred Blues
New Member
Jowgen has 2 effects
One Preventing the Special Summoning (Its like Jinzo and Traps, its free and takes effect the moment he touches the field)
and his other is to Destory all special summoned Monsters by Randomly discarding a card.
One Preventing the Special Summoning (Its like Jinzo and Traps, its free and takes effect the moment he touches the field)
and his other is to Destory all special summoned Monsters by Randomly discarding a card.
UnwantedChild said:
The above scenario is wrong on both points. Jowgen's 2nd effect that lets him destroy all Special Summoned monsters is a Speed 1 effect so it can't be used on the opponent's turn. His first effect however would prevent the opponent from special summoning the monster in the first place.
- Andrew
This is just something that has been bothering me since recent rulings seem to point to the concept that you cannot activate a card if you cannot fully resolve its effect being true. With Jowgen the Spiritualist on the field, it seems that Last Turn's full effect cannot be resolved, so the ruling on this card doesn't make much sense to me. Is this just an example of "just because Konami says so," or is there a reason Last Turn+Jowgen the Spiritualist works while Card Destruction+Protector of the Sanctuary does not?
Based on the current understanding of the card, the only part of Last Turn that *must* resolve is the sending of all cards on the field and in the hand (except for one monster from the controller of Last Turn) to the Graveyard. Everything after that is not absolutely necessary, so it falls into the category of 'Do what you can'.
n00b said:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ude_yu-gi-oh_tcg_judge_list/message/10382
Then replace "Disturbance Strategy" with "Card Destruction"
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