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Jowgen the Spiritualist and Last Turn
- Thread starter Sarothias
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1 other thing with "Last Turn" that I just want to confirm because I recall there was ruling like this printed at one time but it seems to be gone.
I seem to recall that the player activating "Last Turn" does not select the monster on his side of the field until resolution (I think the reasoning was cause it was non-targeting, but I don't remember). So if say you have 2 Jowgen's on the field and your opponent chains "Ring of Destruction" to blow up one of them, you can still lock him down since you were free to select your monster during the resolution (and not the activation of "Last Turn").
This correct?
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I seem to recall that the player activating "Last Turn" does not select the monster on his side of the field until resolution (I think the reasoning was cause it was non-targeting, but I don't remember). So if say you have 2 Jowgen's on the field and your opponent chains "Ring of Destruction" to blow up one of them, you can still lock him down since you were free to select your monster during the resolution (and not the activation of "Last Turn").
This correct?
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paladinforce
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When a mystic tomato battles a shining angel, me and my opponent search for a card.
Who reveals the monster first?
Who special summon the monster first?
If jowgen is special summoned by the effect of shining angel, and the other player selects Dark jeroid with Mystic tomato. What happens with dark jeroid since jowgen is preventing it from being special summoned?
Who reveals the monster first?
Who special summon the monster first?
If jowgen is special summoned by the effect of shining angel, and the other player selects Dark jeroid with Mystic tomato. What happens with dark jeroid since jowgen is preventing it from being special summoned?
paladinforce said:When a mystic tomato battles a shining angel, me and my opponent search for a card.
Who reveals the monster first?
Who special summon the monster first?
If jowgen is special summoned by the effect of shining angel, and the other player selects Dark jeroid with Mystic tomato. What happens with dark jeroid since jowgen is preventing it from being special summoned?
From the UDE FAQ http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/faq_advanced.aspx
Example #2: Mystic Tomato vs. Shining Angel & Jowgen the Spiritualist
Player A, the turn player, attacks Player B's Shining Angel with his Mystic Tomato. Both monsters are destroyed and then sent to the Graveyard. Their simultaneous effects form a chain.
Step 1: Player A's Mystic Tomato effect, because he is the turn player.
Step 2: Player B's Shining Angel effect.
(resolve in reverse order)
Step 2 resolves first, and Player B Special Summons Jowgen the Spiritualist from his Deck. Jowgen the Spiritualist's effect prevents any more Special Summons from occurring as long as he remains face-up on the field. Step 1 would resolve next, but because of Jowgen the Spiritualist, the effect disappears and Player A does not Special Summon a monster.
densetsu_x has essentially the meat of it.paladinforce said:When a mystic tomato battles a shining angel, me and my opponent search for a card.
Who reveals the monster first?
Who special summon the monster first?
If jowgen is special summoned by the effect of shining angel, and the other player selects Dark jeroid with Mystic tomato. What happens with dark jeroid since jowgen is preventing it from being special summoned?
Basically, the Turn Player reveals his monster at activation first, and the Opponent Special Summons at resolution first.
Jowgen will prevent the Dark Jeroid from being Special Summoned at all.
paladinforce
New Member
So, i get it now, but I still got a couple of doubts
If player A is chain link one. Does he reveals the monster before player B effect activates?.
And what happens if the chosen monster of player A get negated by player B jowgen?
If player A is chain link one. Does he reveals the monster before player B effect activates?.
And what happens if the chosen monster of player A get negated by player B jowgen?
paladinforce said:So, i get it now, but I still got a couple of doubts
If player A is chain link one. Does he reveals the monster before player B effect activates?.
And what happens if the chosen monster of player A get negated by player B jowgen?
With the "Mystic Tomato" / "Shining Angel" example, this is simple a Simultaneous effect. The turn player is step 1 in the chain and the opponent is step 2 in the chain. If the opponent selects "Jowgen" when "Shining Angel" resolves and special summons him to the field, then the "Mystic Tomato" effect just disappears.
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paladinforce
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cool. Thanks to nova and densetsu. You both are an example that makes this forum worthy
paladinforce said:cool. Thanks to nova and densetsu. You both are an example that makes this forum worthy
Likewise, you're welcome.
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paladinforce said:When a mystic tomato battles a shining angel, me and my opponent search for a card.
Who reveals the monster first?
Who special summon the monster first?
If jowgen is special summoned by the effect of shining angel, and the other player selects Dark jeroid with Mystic tomato. What happens with dark jeroid since jowgen is preventing it from being special summoned?
novastar said:densetsu_x has essentially the meat of it.paladinforce said:When a mystic tomato battles a shining angel, me and my opponent search for a card.
Who reveals the monster first?
Who special summon the monster first?
If jowgen is special summoned by the effect of shining angel, and the other player selects Dark jeroid with Mystic tomato. What happens with dark jeroid since jowgen is preventing it from being special summoned?
Basically, the Turn Player reveals his monster at activation first, and the Opponent Special Summons at resolution first.
Jowgen will prevent the Dark Jeroid from being Special Summoned at all.
Unless I'm missing something big here, you seem to be under the mistaken impression that you choose the card to special summon when the effect is activated. This is never the case when talking about the hand, deck, or fusion deck (unless it states that you name a card).
Maester Bacman
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This monster should work like Tribe-Infecting Virus for these cases.
You choose when to activate the effect. When Jowgen the Spiritualist is summoned, its controller has priority to activate its effect.
You choose when to activate the effect. When Jowgen the Spiritualist is summoned, its controller has priority to activate its effect.
But can you discard the card on your opponent's turn or can it only be applied to when it is summoned. Like lets say you summon Jowgen the Spiritualist and choose not to activate its effect, then on your opponent's turn you decide to activate it, is this allowed.
Maester Bacman
New Member
:| Ejem, that was said previously:
The effect doesn't need to be activated only when the card is summoned in your Main Phases; it can be used multiple times in your Main Phases, as with Tribe-Infecting Virus. Obviously, you can do this if there are Special Summoned monsters and if you can keep paying the cost.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
densetsu_x said:Jowgen's effect that lets him destroy all Special Summoned monsters is a Speed 1 effect so it can't be used on the opponent's turn.
The effect doesn't need to be activated only when the card is summoned in your Main Phases; it can be used multiple times in your Main Phases, as with Tribe-Infecting Virus. Obviously, you can do this if there are Special Summoned monsters and if you can keep paying the cost.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
You can still use her effect during the [Last Turn] battle as well.J-Kama-Ka-C said:In the case of Injection Fairy Lily being summed by the attacking, non-last turn player, is he able to activate her effect, or does the Last Turn battle occur outside a "regular" Battle Phase (battle step+damage step) ?
And yes, the [Last Turn] battle is outside of the regular Battle Phase.
novastar said:You can still use her effect during the [Last Turn] battle as well.J-Kama-Ka-C said:In the case of Injection Fairy Lily being summed by the attacking, non-last turn player, is he able to activate her effect, or does the Last Turn battle occur outside a "regular" Battle Phase (battle step+damage step) ?
And yes, the [Last Turn] battle is outside of the regular Battle Phase.
Just to add, you can use her effect presuming you have 2000lp to spend and yes it is outside the regular battle phase.
And another addition: If you guys can wait about another week or so, I have a comprehensive article about "Last Turn" coming out explaining everything about the ruling and how to play the card, combos that can help you win as well as how to defend against it.
- Andrew