Level Modulation VS. Level UP!

[krazykidpsx]

okay, seriously since I saw that Level Modulations ruling consisted of only reborning stuff that was "Properly" Lv Summoned, it got me thinking. UDE MAKES ALOT OF SHADI RULINGS!!!!! but enough of that, today im bringing the evidence for me to belive why said ruling should be appealed.

First lets study Level Modulation:

Level Modulation[/ycard]]
Your opponent draws 2 cards. Special Summon 1 monster from your Graveyard that includes "LV" in its card name, ignoring the Summoning conditions. The monster that was Special Summoned by this effect cannot attack, nor activate or apply its effect this turn.

OKay the first sentence is preaty basic, the opponent draws 2 cards. I belive nobody is subject to not aggre with me that its basically "Opponent you draw 2 cards from your deck" basic, easy thats kool.

the next sence though is the one that gets to me.

"Special Summon 1 monster from your Graveyard that includes "LV" in its card name, Ignoring the Summoning Conditions."

that seems basic, I pick a monster that has LV in its card name from MY graveyard and special summon it to the field ignoring all its summoning conditions. Seems easy right? I pick I summon creature comes in with no restrictions other than the ones this card will place on it.

the next sentence is preaty easy.
"The monster that was Special Summoned by this effect cannot attack, nor activate or apply its effect this turn."

okay, so for this turn that i summon said creature through this card cant do anything, period no its and or buts about it. Of course this is while its face up currently. But its not bad its only non active for my turn, no biggy.

Now lets analize Level Up!

Level Up![/ycard]]
Send 1 face-up monster on your side of the field that has "LV" in its card name to the Graveyard to activate this card. Special Summon the monster that is written in the card text of that monster from your hand or Deck, ignoring the Summoning conditions.

Hmm, lets see here..."Send 1 Face-Up Monster on your side of the field that has "LV" in its card name to the graveyard to active this card."

Okay that seems interesting i can only send Face-Up Monsters with "LV" in its card name to the graveyard as a cost to activate this card. That doesnt seem to hard right? were smart we get it ONLY that type can be used.

Next sentence... " Special Summon the Monster that is Written in the card text of that monster from your hand or deck, Ignoring the Summoning Condition."

HEY! there is that line again "Ignoring the summoning Condition." But lets not get ahead of our selfs, it says "Special summon said monster that is written on the card text of the card you used to activate the card from your hand or deck"... That seems preaty easy, i send Horus Lv 6 to get HOrus 8 from my hand or deck since its the card written on the card HOrus LV 6. preaty easy so far, but hold on, Im not allowed to do that without the next line of text "IGNORING THE SUMMONING CONDITION"

the part I want to compare is the "Ignoring the summoning Condition" both cards state the same thing. But the difference is that one comes from the graveyard and the other from the hand or deck.

now, if we were to add the word "Graveyard" in the card Level Up! wouldnt the card do about the exact same thing that Level Modulation would? would there be a difference then?

See I'm a very reasonable person I can listen to reason, it wont affect me, I do as I am told BUT (yes, I know i over used the 3 letters) why is it that in 1 card you can do said effect and with another you can't?

Sit back and think for a bit before you reply instantly. The cards have the exact same 4 words in them near the end of the rules text. But both interact differently.

another thing I want to come to understand is why, do somecards you only do the effect as much as you possibly can, example of this would be Toon Table of Content, You can use it to look for a card with Toon but not neceserally need to place it in your hand or find it. BUT with card like Triangle ecstacy Spark were you dont neceserally need a Harpy lady sisters the ruling stands that you cannot activate it unless HLS is on the field.

If its a "Cause we said so and your stupid" kinda thing then its fine. Ill understand...(no really I will, I just personally belive that sending people on wild goose chace's is not funny)

 

[Tiso]

Whether the ruling is nonsense or not is a statement that does not need to be made.

If you think it's nonsense, do it through proof, not through a simple stating of such an opinion/fact.

Raij, are you like always trying to pick a fight with me? It is a nonsense ruling. The card says one thing. The ruling says another. How much simple can I break it down? It is not an opinion. It is a stupid ruling with no real basis to explaining why it exists when Level Up!, with the exact same text does exactly what it says on the card. I have stated this exact proof a gazillion times now.

 

[krazykidpsx]

that maybe them, but me I actually need an understand for said ruling.

You know what is the phrase I hate telling people when they ask for rules?

"Im sorry I cant give you an example but thouse are the rules placed upon the card because Konami said so."

 

[skey23]

I'm checking over the rules that are at Dmcomet.net's website and I noticed a big incorrectness as well in the rulings.

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I Understand that their rulings arnt per se "Official" but that opens up a big "what the heck??"

The ruling you quoted says the exact same thing that our official ruling says. What's incorrect about it?

 

[Tiso]

that maybe them, but me I actually need an understand for said ruling.

You know what is the phrase I hate telling people when they ask for rules?

"Im sorry I cant give you an example but thouse are the rules placed upon the card because Konami said so."

Yeah trying explaining that to a little kid.

"Sorry Jimmy, I know you are 10 years old, but Konami says so."

You would be insulting kid with that kind of mumbo jumbo. However, Konami has no problem doing this.

 

[Tiso]

The ruling you quoted says the exact same thing that our official ruling says. What's incorrect about it?

You know what the problem really is? Konami in the Japan makes cards with no clear distinction like they do with UDE. Summon means Special Summon, Flip Summon, Normal Summon in the OCG. I remember a month or two before EEN came out in the OCG that around the net we started seeing text changes to King's Knight saying it was now just summoned, instead of Normal Summon which all translations had. Remember Soul Taker? Remember how it had face-up monster, but now it just says monster? It is this type of confusion and I think assumptions in the OCG that I think is the reason the ruling is acceptable in Japan, but makes no sense here for Level Modulation.

 

[djp952]

OK, this one's done now too. Sorry, but this is breaking down too rapidly to salvage, IMO. I've left a note for the Council to unlock if they think differently.

End result: "Because Konami said so"

Arguing amongst ourselves will not change this.

 

[krazykidpsx]

The ruling you quoted says the exact same thing that our official ruling says. What's incorrect about it?

The second ruling does. but the first, read it slowly.

you notice whats wierd with that? that the second ruling says other wise.