Light of Intervention/King Tiger Wanghu Combo

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YaDoc

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This seems like a very good combo to take down weenie/burn decks, if it works as it seems to read. Light of Intervention will force all monsters to be summoned in face-up defense while King Tiger Wanghu will destroy the summoned monster if its attack is 1400 or less. Is there anything I should look out for when either playing this combo or making rulings regarding this combo?

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Offhand I don't see anything wrong with it. It seems pretty straightforward. Both are continuous effects so there are no chaining issues. And one must remember that the rules of priority still apply. Other then that, there shouldn't any problems.

Oh, I guess some players might think that their set card flips and activates flip effects, but that's not the case. The card technically never gets set. But like I said, other then that, I couldn't foresee any problems.
 
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YaDoc said:
It does seem straight forward. But can cards such as Swarm of Locusts or Swarm of Scarabs when summoned in face-up defense because of LOI use priority to activate their "flip face down" ability to avoid King Tiger Wanghu's effect? Or can these monsters not use their effects like "Book of Moon" can't be activated when LOI is on the field?
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They can't activate their effects as long as LOI is active.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Offhand I don't see anything wrong with it. It seems pretty straightforward. Both are continuous effects so there are no chaining issues. And one must remember that the rules of priority still apply. Other then that, there shouldn't any problems.

Oh, I guess some players might think that their set card flips and activates flip effects, but that's not the case. The card technically never gets set. But like I said, other then that, I couldn't foresee any problems.
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The combo is fine. But King Tiger Wanghu is a trigger effect, not a continuous effect. He does create a chain and will "rob priority" much like Stumbling does. So Swarm of Scarabs and the other self-flippers are out of luck.

-Edit- And Light of Intervention would prevent them from activating anyway. :) Thanks for the reminder ED & Chillout.
 
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All Light of Intervention prevents are monsters being placed face down on the field. That's all it does. It doesn't flip already face down monsters that are Set on the field face up.

The Shallow Grave and Spear Cretin can be used. The monsters will simply be in face up defense or attack position while Light of Intervention is active on the field.

Tsukuyomi
Book of Moon
Swarm of Locusts
Swarm of Scarabs
etc.

They can't activate their effects while Light of Intervention is active on the field.
 
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Yes, you can. Both cards can resolve without effect. I've just established that. I got that notion from comparing the three cards together and rulings.

I activate Book of Moon to flip your Mobius the Frost Monarch face down. You chain Light of Intervention. Book of Moon resolves without effect.

Now if I really wanted to be annoying and nit-pick with you, I could say something like this. XD Keep in mind, I wouldn't do this to anyone on the site if I can help it.

<Don't take the following information seriously!!!>
Tsukuyomi can also be considered Optional. The summoning of Tsukuyomi is 100% optional, which would make the effect optional as well. This is exactly like Book of Moon. You have the option to activate the Spell Card or not.
<Ok, that's all of the bullcrap.>

As you can see, that's just getting technical with how the cards are played.

But you can compare Book of Moon and Tsukuyomi together and how they function with Light of Intervention to get a good idea of how Tsukuyomi will work. It resolves without effect. The effect doesn't Disappear, it just resolves without the effect doing anything to the target.

Think of Swarm of Locusts and Swarm of Scarabs. Also Golem Sentry and Stealth Bird. You can't activate their effects. Effects like theirs are unable to activate because they're optional effects. Mandatory effects like Tsukuyomi's will simply resolve without effect.

That's pretty much all I'm trying to say and explain. <shrugs>
 
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But you can compare Book of Moon and Tsukuyomi together and how they function with Light of Intervention to get a good idea of how Tsukuyomi will work. It resolves without effect. The effect doesn't Disappear, it just resolves without the effect doing anything to the target.
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As I stated in another thread, I think anytime you cannot complete an action because of an effect that prevents it, the effect "Disappears".

Its different from a situation where two effects coincide...

Player A summons Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys

Player B responds with Torrential Tribute

Player A chains Assault on GHQ.

Versus

Player A activates Call of the Haunted and targets Chaos Sorcerer

Player B chains Disappear to remove Chaos Sorcerer


In the first scenario, Torrential Tribute will still try to resolve and destroy monsters.

The second scenario the target for Call of the Haunted is gone, so it cannot "resolve as much as possible" because it is only trying to do one thing, "Summon Chaos Sorcerer". Now that it's no longer there, it cant resolve without effect. The effect just Disappears because the target is no longer there.
 
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In your first example Torrential Tribute will still resolve without effect.

In your second example Call of the Haunted will still resolve without effect. It resolves without effect because neither the monster or Call of the Haunted were destroyed. So Call of the Haunted will remain on the field meaninglessly; however, it just merely resolved without effect.

A good example of a card effect that Disappears from the field would be Ectoplasmer being destroyed in the End Phase before its effect resolves. The effect of Ectoplasmer Disappears because the card is no longer on the field in order to resolve. Which, of course, is the nature of continuous spell and trap cards.

Another example would be Mirage of Nightmare and the discard effect. You can chain to the effect with cards like Dust Tornado or Mystical Space Typhoon to destroy Mirage of Nightmare. You don't discard because Mirage of Nightmare is no longer on the field. Mirage of Nightmare's effect Disappears.

I tribute summon for Zaborg the Thunder Monarch and target your face down Sangan. You chain Torrential Tribute and destroy all the monsters on the field. Zaborg the Thunder Monarch's effect Disappears.

I activate the card Ante and you chain Imperial Order to it. I have Skilled Dark Magician on the field. Imperial Order negates the effect of Ante. Ante resolves without effect and my Skilled Dark Magician still gains a Spell Counter.

I activate Smashing Ground to destroy your face up Big Shield Gardna. You chain Book of Moon to flip your Big Shield Gardna face down. Smashing Ground resolves without effect as you have no other monsters face up.

The terms cover different situations as you can see.

In that scenario with Book of Moon I typed up, which you quoted, I was indeed wrong. Book of Moon's effect would Disappear because of Light of Intervention.

Remember, card effects that "Disappear" must be considered to have never resolved. If cards that have their effects "resolve without effect" would mean that they actually do resolve.

That would mean if I summon a monster while your Stumbling is out on the field. Stumbling activates. I chain Dust Tornado and target Stumbling. Stumbling is destroyed. The effect of Stumbling Disappears.

I activate Swords of Revealing Light and you chain Dust Tornado to destroy it. Swords of Revealing Light's effect Disappears. Swords of Revealing Light must remain on the field in order to affect any monsters. So does this mean Swords of Revealing Light resolved?

Fun fun.

=)
 
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