Macro Cosmos + D.D. Survivor/D.D. Scout Planes

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drzero7

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It's gunna be asked. So I'll do it.

How many times these things can be special summoned from RFP section?

I think if I'm correct, the Scouts can only be special summoned once the same turn. (Like Banisher of Light + King Tiger Wanghu would make Scout special summon once, and then destroy it again and after that it'll stay RFP)

So then does this rule apply to DDS? Like say DDS is somehow destroyed by Torrential/Smashing/BTH/etc. while having Macro Cosmos on the field. And then at the end phase when DDS is special summoned, a BTH is chained to destroy it one more time. (Or Torrential) Would it be RFP and then special summoned AGAIN at the same end phase?

If DDS can be special summoned forever in the same turn as long as it's removed from play while face-up on the field... then wow...
 
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d.d. scout plane
d.d. survivor

Seems to me that its quite simple to figure this out.

If either is removed from play it returns at the end phase of the turn. if they get removed from play during said end phase once they come back since they are still in the end phaes then wouldnt they still be able to come back again.
 
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drzero7 said:
It's gunna be asked. So I'll do it.

How many times these things can be special summoned from RFP section?

I think if I'm correct, the Scouts can only be special summoned once the same turn. (Like Banisher of Light + King Tiger Wanghu would make Scout special summon once, and then destroy it again and after that it'll stay RFP)

So then does this rule apply to DDS? Like say DDS is somehow destroyed by Torrential/Smashing/BTH/etc. while having Macro Cosmos on the field. And then at the end phase when DDS is special summoned, a BTH is chained to destroy it one more time. (Or Torrential) Would it be RFP and then special summoned AGAIN at the same end phase?

If DDS can be special summoned forever in the same turn as long as it's removed from play while face-up on the field... then wow...
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Neither monster has the "Once per turn" as part of their text, so they could possibly be destroyed by Bottomless Trap Hole (Survivor), Torrential Tribute, Assault on GHQ, Offerings to the Doomed, etc, in the End Phase, and keep coming back
 
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While it may not have it in the text, I can quite imagine a ruling being put into place for the situation of Macrocosmos + DD Scout Plane + King Tiger Wanghu. Otherwise, it can continue to make a loop, which with just one addition of Card of Safe Return, could lead to another Exodia win tactic.
 
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Maybe squid but per the rulings on infinite loops if you made started one then you must destroy the most recently played card that initiated the loop and you cant deliberately start an infinite loop. Even if it is a nice way to do exodia i dont know if they would let ya get away with it.
 
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You guys are forgetting one thing, the loop is only "infinite" if it does "nothing", and then it would be illegal.

As squid suggested, Card of safe return would be interesting toss in, and would cause you to draw your deck into your hand. Of course, if you had one piece of Exodia you would lose, unless you chose to not draw a card, but then you would have to destroy the recently played card causing the loop.
 
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eventually, this kind of combo would be a finite loop. The deck would eventually run out. Its only with endless loops that wont cause the game to progress at all that you have a real problem in mechanics.

If you decided NOT to draw with the optional effect of Card of Safe Return, then you look to see what was the last card played: Scout Plane, King Tiger Wanghu, or Macro Cosmos. Since, by this point, there is no purpose to the loop, you just destroy the last card and proceed with the game.

Can anyone spot if I missed something here?
 
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whoa *big brakes screeching*

*BANG!* Too late, hit the wall.

Thanks for pointing that out, John. I always tend to overlook some small detail like that, lol!
 
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squid said:
While it may not have it in the text, I can quite imagine a ruling being put into place for the situation of Macrocosmos + DD Scout Plane + King Tiger Wanghu. Otherwise, it can continue to make a loop, which with just one addition of Card of Safe Return, could lead to another Exodia win tactic.
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I don't know how long it's been out, but.....

UDE FAQ said:
"D.D. Scout Plane"'s effect can only activate once during the same End Phase, so if a combo of "Banisher of the Light" and "King Tiger Wanghu" is set up, "D.D. Scout Plane" will only be Special Summoned once.
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It would seem; however, that "D.D. Survivor" does not have this restriction.
 
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That's right....that ruling with D.D. Scout Plane came about when the topic was brought up about an infinate loop to begin with wasn't it? I thought I remembered something about that but it's still before noon and the caffine hasn't soaked in yet!
 
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Just seems sort of ridiculous that it would not indicate that it is a once per turn effect, when the card text would seem to say that it would activate each and every time it is removed from play.

I guess it simplifies things if you did have a situation with King tiger wanghu
 
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Yeah, it doesn't say "Once per turn" like strike ninja for Scouts and Survivor so this is indeed confusing. (Like against strike, I attempt to destroy it, my foe Ninja Dodge, then I activated my previous set Torrential/BTH during the end phase.)
 
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What I'm wondering now though....if I remember correctly, orginally D.D. Scout Plane didn't have that ruling accompanying it, I believe it was added later.....could D. D. Survivor have the same stipulation and it's just we don't know it?
 
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Well, it's something that needs to be addressed, and d.d. scout plane really needs a errata rather than a number #10 ruling (or whichever it is...), before Macro Cosmos and Grand Convergence start seeing massive game play come 1 June.
 
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Tiso said:
What does it need a errata or whatever for now?
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Because, unlike Strike Ninja, who states he can only use his effect once per turn, neither d.d. Survivor nor d.d. scout plane have this, and having to keep explaiining this (which we will as more players start teching d.d. scout plane) when it will seem like a "new ruling" we made up on the spot, is ridiculous, as I stated earlier.
 
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Okay then. For now, both D.D Scouts Plane and D.D Survivor can be special summoned from RFP section infinitely during the end phase UNLESS it creates an infinite loop. (like King Tiger Wanghu for Scouts) Only THEN you must stop the special summoning.... am I right?
 
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