Macro Cosmos + D.D. Survivor/D.D. Scout Planes

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drzero7

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It's gunna be asked. So I'll do it.

How many times these things can be special summoned from RFP section?

I think if I'm correct, the Scouts can only be special summoned once the same turn. (Like Banisher of Light + King Tiger Wanghu would make Scout special summon once, and then destroy it again and after that it'll stay RFP)

So then does this rule apply to DDS? Like say DDS is somehow destroyed by Torrential/Smashing/BTH/etc. while having Macro Cosmos on the field. And then at the end phase when DDS is special summoned, a BTH is chained to destroy it one more time. (Or Torrential) Would it be RFP and then special summoned AGAIN at the same end phase?

If DDS can be special summoned forever in the same turn as long as it's removed from play while face-up on the field... then wow...
 
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Oh wait, the ruling says that Scout Plane an only be special summoned once during End phase. bah.

Then is D.D. Survivor can be special summoned infinitely during the end phase?
 
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The ruling didn't exist for D.D. Survivor probably because no infinate scenario existed prior to this, unlike D.D. Scout Plane. Well, wait, you could modify the Scout Plane scenario and actually make it work with Survivor...

They will (or should) probably change this.
 
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MOre of this thing question.

DDS. If it's destroyed face-down while Macro is out on the field, it STAYS in RFP right? (Cause the effect only activates while face-up on the field to RFP) So say it got busted after Book of Moon or Tsukuyomi.

So, something like this can be comboed?

I summon DDS while Macro Cosmos is out

My foe chains Torrential

I have no responce

My foe chains that to Book of Moon to flip DDS face-down.
 
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'D.D. Suvivor' must be face-up on the field when it's removed from play in order for its effect to activate (or in the case of an attack, be face-up prior to the attack declaration).
 
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It's similar to the Gearfried + Dark Necrofear ruling, they are supposed to be able to be summoned infinately, but due to complications must be limited.

The restriction being in the text, much like Dark Necrofear, will most likely never happen.
 
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novastar said:
It's similar to the Gearfried + Dark Necrofear ruling, they are supposed to be able to be summoned infinately, but due to complications must be limited.

The restriction being in the text, much like Dark Necrofear, will most likely never happen.
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Ahhh, but "Dark Necrofear" did finally have it's text revised. It now only returns when it is destroyed as a monster.

I believe Cropz has posted how they rule in the OCG, which means given time, we'll have the same ruling and/or errata.

doc
 
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In fact, I'm just extrapolating from other monsters with similar effects.
a better example would be 'Giant Kozaky', since his effect is identical to 'D.D. Survivor''s:

"¢ Like "Atomic Firefly", "Foxfire", and "Poison Draw Frog", if a face-down "Giant Kozaky" is attacked and destroyed, its effect is not applied.
 
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Cropz said:
'D.D. Suvivor' must be face-up on the field when it's removed from play in order for its effect to activate (or in the case of an attack, be face-up prior to the attack declaration).
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That does not apply if there is a active Banisher of the light or Macro Cosmos. Flipping him face-up for Damage Calculation will mean that he is being removed from play face-up after the Damage Step, and his effect will activate.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
That does not apply if there is a active Banisher of the light or Macro Cosmos. Flipping him face-up for Damage Calculation will mean that he is being removed from play face-up after the Damage Step, and his effect will activate.
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What makes you think 'D.D. Survivor' is different from all the aforementioned monsters?
 
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Cropz said:
What makes you think 'D.D. Survivor' is different from all the aforementioned monsters?
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Because he is being removed from the field "face-up" after the Damage Step. This isnt a "Player picks up his card face-up" type thing. It is already face-up because of Damage Calculation when it is sent to the Graveyard, and in this case, it isnt going to the Graveyard, it is being removed from play "face-up".

Just because he was attacked face-down doesnt mean he is still considered to be face-down when he is destroyed.

Plus this...

D.D. Trap Hole VS. D.D. Survivor 2006-04-20 10:29:00 <Andrew Gipson>


D.D. Trap Hole (DDTH) reads like this:

"You can only activate this card when your opponent Sets 1 monster in Defense
Position. Destroy and remove from play the Set monster and 1 monster on your
side of the field."

And D.D. Survivor (DDS) reads like this:

"If this face-up card on your side of the field is removed from play, this card
is Special Summoned to the owner's side of the field during the End Phase."


And now my question. If my opponent sets a monsters, and I activate DDTH targeting
my face-up DDS and their face-down monster, assuming nothing stopped the DDTH
from resolving, will DDS come back at the End Phase of that turn?


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Answer:

Yes it will.

"D.D. Survivor" was face-up on the field when it was removed from play by "D.D. Trap Hole."

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Curtis Schultz
Official UDE Netrepâ„¢
CurtisSchultz_netrep@Hotmail.com
 
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Well, let's look at the text for "Fox Fire" shall we....

"During the End Phase of a turn when this face-up card was destroyed as a result of battle, Special Summon this card from the Graveyard to your side of the field. This card cannot be Tributed for a Tribute Summon.""

All it says is that it must be face-up when destroyed by Battle. So, by your logic woo0, even if it was face-down when attacked, because it is flipped face-up by the attack, you should still get it's effect...no?
 
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skey23 said:
Well, let's look at the text for "Fox Fire" shall we....

"During the End Phase of a turn when this face-up card was destroyed as a result of battle, Special Summon this card from the Graveyard to your side of the field. This card cannot be Tributed for a Tribute Summon.""

All it says is that it must be face-up when destroyed by Battle. So, by your logic woo0, even if it was face-down when attacked, because it is flipped face-up by the attack, you should still get it's effect...no?
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That's not logic, thats an effect. D.D. Survivor says that when this face-up monster is removed from play.

Fox Fire wasnt attacked face-up. he was attacked and flipped face-up.

Logic says that if my opponent activates the effect of Exiled Force to destroy my face-down D.D. Survivor, if I chain "ceasefire" to his effect, d.d. survivor would be removed from play face-up if Macro Cosmos was active, right?
 
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Not logic?

One says, when this face-up card is removed from play.

The other says when this face-up card is destroyed by Battle.


They have the exact same restriction...'when this face-up card is...'
 
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skey23 said:
Not logic?

One says, when this face-up card is removed from play.

The other says when this face-up card is destroyed by Battle.


They have the exact same restriction...'when this face-up card is...'
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No they don't. If they did, you would be able to break down why Fox Fire doesnt get his effect, and you can't. Simply saying, "Because he wasnt face-up when he was attacked" is a Konami said so Ruling, and Konami DOESNT say so for D.D. Survivor.

"¢ If "D.D. Scout Plane" is destroyed by "Lesser Fiend", "D.D. Scout Plane"'s effect activates and it is Special Summoned even if "Dark Ruler Ha Des" was also in play when it was destroyed.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
...and Konami DOESNT say so for D.D. Survivor.
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Not yet at least...lol

masterwoo0 said:
"¢ If "D.D. Scout Plane" is destroyed by "Lesser Fiend", "D.D. Scout Plane"'s effect activates and it is Special Summoned even if "Dark Ruler Ha Des" was also in play when it was destroyed.
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Ok, this ruling is just messed up in soooo many ways...lol.
 
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Definately agree with wo0 on this one, D.D.'s effect is much more generic is in it's implication, as long as the card is physically face-up when destroyed, it works. Fox Fire's text is vague, based on the rulings Konami gave us, and is exactly as wo0 said.. "when it is attacked face-up"

The Dark Ruler ruling is as such, because the act of removing the monster from play removes the negation condition, and since D.D. Scout's effect doesn't Trigger until the End Phase, the condition would no longer exist by then.
 
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