Magic Cylinder LON-EN104

Trap

Negate the attack of 1 of your opponent's monsters and inflict Direct Damage equal to the attacking monster's ATK to your opponent's Life Points.

Well here's a number a lot people are familiar with. There are many pros and cons to this card. Lets start with the pros.

Like Mirrorforce this card will negate the attack. The attack gets negated and the opponent gets dealt direct damage equal to the monster ATK. All of it, not just the original but the increases as well. This card was one of the reasons a person feared using a high attack monster near the end of the game. That face-down card could very well be this trap and the monster you planned on attacking with had enough attack power to end the game, with the opponent getting the victory. Or you have used it in the beginning to get a head lead in life points.

Burn decks should have some fun with it. Use it combination with Dark Room of Nightmare's. Or perhaps in combination with a ring of destruction. You lose a portion of life points but the opponent loses double that. Odds are they would go down to somewhere near the halfway point of their life points and if not they will lose at least 1000 negating it with Seven tools. They attack but they pay for it.

Like all cards though, it has its drawbacks. For one thing, this card can ONLY be activiated when one of the opponent's monsters attacks. There's plenty of spell/trap removal that goes around, making this card less effective. Certain monsters themselves will prevent its effect besides Jinzo. Tyrant Dragon, Ryu Senshi, and now with the rise of destiny set, Pitch Black Warwolf and Mirage Dragon.

Unlike Mirror Force, it'll only work on one monster. That means if your opponent has a swarm of monsters on the field, you just slightly blunted the beating you're about to get.

Another drawback is the fact that it won't destroy the monster. It'll only stop the attack. Giant Orcs, Spear dragons, and Goblin Attack Force won't change to defense mode at the end of the battle phase since the attack was negated. Your opponent loses the life points but they keep their monsters in a desirable battle position. That's assuming they don't do something to reverse the damage.

Since this card doesn't simply 'transfer' the damage and actually 'does' direct damage, it falls victim to Barrel behind the door. The opponent could also simply use Pikeru's Circle of enchantment or Hallowed Life Barrier. Your back to square one (no pun intended) with the opponent's monster still in play and his life points unharmed by the trap.

It only stops one attack so monsters that can attack twice will still get to attack another time. In this case, Nightmare wheel, Shadow spell or Spellbinding Circle is better. They permanently stop the monster from attacking again as long as they're in play.

What it really comes down to it, is what you consider more important. The destruction of the monster or the negation of the attack. If you prefer having the monster get destroyed than you're better off with something else.
 
I have some questions on this one general sir.

1) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Sakuretsu Armor.
Will MC still go through? Or do you have to make Sakuretsu chain link 1?

2) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Mirror Force.
Will MC still go through?

3) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Draining Shield.
Will MC still go through?

4) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Book of Moon.
Will MC still go through?

5) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Compulsory Evacuation Device.
Will MC still go through?

6) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Strike Ninja's effect.
Will MC still go through?
 
To my knowledge, the effect of MC will still go through since the condition that activiated it only needs to be right at the activiation. MC only stops the attack. Whatever happens to the monster afterwards or during the chain, doesn't matter to MC. MC will STILL deal direct damage to the opponent equal to the monster's ATK in each of those scenarios you presented.
 
Raigekick said:
I have some questions on this one general sir.

1) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Sakuretsu Armor.
Will MC still go through? Or do you have to make Sakuretsu chain link 1?

2) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Mirror Force.
Will MC still go through?

3) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Draining Shield.
Will MC still go through?

4) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Book of Moon.
Will MC still go through?

5) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Compulsory Evacuation Device.
Will MC still go through?

6) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Strike Ninja's effect.
Will MC still go through?
For all of those except 3, the effect of "Magic Cylinder" will go away since the creature will no longer be face up on the field. In the case of 3, you'd gain the life points and inflict the same amount as damage. For the case of 1 and 2, reverse the order so that "Magic Cylinder" can resolve first.
 
Yes. The attack was already declared and the timing for activating "Magic Cylinder" was correct. Once it is activated, the only condition needed for resolution is the attacking monster to still be face up on the field.
 
densetsu_x said:
Yes. The attack was already declared and the timing for activating "Magic Cylinder" was correct. Once it is activated, the only condition needed for resolution is the attacking monster to still be face up on the field.
Ah, ok. I didn't realize that the monster still needed to face up for the effect to go through. Sorry about mis-interpreting it.
 
Total defense shogun is the exception. Mirror Force does negate attacks but since Total defense shogun is in defense mode his attack will resolve as normal. Any other monster in that's in attack mode will still be destroyed. The only time you can't use Mirror force on him if he is the ONLY monster on the field and he is in defense mode.
 
Actually, Mirror Force does not negate attacks. If a machine monster equiped with Heavy Mech Support Platform attacks and your opponent chains MF, MF will destroy HMSP and the attacking machine monster will still be able to attack.

EDIT: If MF destroys the attacking monster, then the attack disappears.

Now Magic Cylinder does negate the attack.
 
You're right. It doesn't negate the attack. I was looking at the text of my card. This one however is before it got errata'd.

The text on mine says: When an opponent's monster attacks, negate the attack and destroy all opponent's monsters in attack position.
 
Archfiendgeneral said:
Ah, ok. I didn't realize that the monster still needed to face up for the effect to go through. Sorry about mis-interpreting it.
Yup. MC does damage at resolution, so at resolution it needs to be able to "see" the attacking monster and determine its attack strength to reflect.
 
Raigekick said:
I have some questions on this one general sir.

1) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Sakuretsu Armor.
Will MC still go through? Or do you have to make Sakuretsu chain link 1?

2) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Mirror Force.
Will MC still go through?

3) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Draining Shield.
Will MC still go through?

4) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Book of Moon.
Will MC still go through?

5) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Compulsory Evacuation Device.
Will MC still go through?

6) Chain link: (1) Magic Cylinder, (2) Strike Ninja's effect.
Will MC still go through?
If you reverse the order of activation, most should work then. However, one question: For sakuretsu, if you do reverse the order of activation, then magic cylinder will work, but will sakuretsu work since the attack is negated?
 
lzy3 said:
one question: For sakuretsu, if you do reverse the order of activation, then magic cylinder will work, but will sakuretsu work since the attack is negated?
Player A Attacks with Aitsu
Palyer B: Chain Link 1: respons with Sakuretsu Armor
Player A did not add to the Chain Link
Player B: Chain Link 2: chains Magic Cylinder
Player A did not add to the Chain Link
Player B did not add to the Chain Link

Resolution:
- Chain Link 2: Magic Cylinder will negate the attack and inflict 300 damage to Player A (this is because Aitsu is still face-up on the field)
- Chain Link 1: Sakuretsu Armor will negate the attack and destroy Aitsu. (It's okay to negate an already negated attack)
 
I have a different chain from the preceding ones:
- magic cylinder + zero gravity

Also in this case magic cylinder resolves?
Thanks
 
I have read in another post that the chain dark mirror force+ zero gravity it's possible, in such case the attacking monster is changed in defense, therefore also magic cilinder + zero gravity and legitimate
Correct?
 
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