Magical Hats vs. Kozaky's Self-Destruct Button

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Deathjester

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If I placed a face-down Kozaky's Self-Destruct Button on the field by the effect of Magical Hats and it's destroyed at the end of the Battle Phase, will I take the damage from KSDB's effect? I'm guessing there would be no damage inflicted because KSDB was involuntarily destroyed; I didn't actually choose to destroy it.

On a related note, since the effects of Statue of the Wicked and Dark Coffin activate in the Graveyard, will they still work if they were chosen for the effect of Magical Hats and destroyed at the end of the Battle Phase?
 
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Sorry if im missing something, but you can't chain BBtD to continous s/t cards, that's why can't chain it to Mass Driver, but what would that have any effect to Kozaky's mechanic?? It activates when destroyed just as Dark Coffin, you don't activate it then when it's destoyed it get's it's effect.

I don't see how that can't be considered a chainable event.
 
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Sorry if im missing something, but you can't chain BBtD to continous s/t cards, that's why can't chain it to Mass Driver
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No, that's not why, that's what UDE's simple answer is, to avoid getting into a long mechanics discussion. The mechanics behind it are that you have to chain it to Card Activation, in other words... when a card is first played on the field (or sometimes in the Hand).

Kozaky's trigger is a chainable event (a Trigger), but it's not card activation, because card activation is when you (manually) activate a card for the first time.
 
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slither said:
So what would the explanation for Cyclone Boomerang be then?? You still are not manually activating it and you can still chain Barrel Behind the Door to its damage effect.
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I dont have one, it's new card, that Konami seems to want to rule differently. Based on all previous ruling this card is being ruled incorrectly.

Black Pendant

"[Re: Barrel Behind the Door] You cannot activate "Barrel Behind the Door" against a Continuous Spell or Trap Card, an Equip Spell Card, or a Field Spell Card. So you cannot activate it against "Magical Thorn", "Dark Snake Syndrome", "Wave-Motion Cannon", or "Black Pendant"."

Seems to me like this ruling needs to be amended... and it's about time. It supports the idea that the "you can't chain Barrel to continuous s/t cards" is not accurate.

I'll look more into it.
 
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That's why im just not feeling the Kozaky's thing, somehow Konami as you said want's to make a "correction" or something. But we really need this being cleared up soon.... we have to remember that Kozaky is a relative new card as well.
 
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My guess is that something is up with the Cyclone ruling, or there is something card specific that they are not telling us.

I would rule this as Cyclone specific, and not affect any other rulings/cards.

So I would go by precedence with Kozaky and say it is a no go.
 
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I just love it when we get botched explanations for rulings answers. If nova is correct and Barrel can only be chained to Card Activation of Spell and Traps then Kozaky would definitely fall into the no you can't category. However by the explanations we have in the rulings it doesn't state anything about this being the case and should be legal, it definitely creates a chain when it is destroyed and it is certainly not a Continuous or Equip Trap.

Is UDE that incapable of understanding these things? Is Konami that bad at explaining them? I would just like answers that don't have to change when the next ruling comes out. :) Is that too much to ask.
 
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Cyclone Boomerang is something I didn't know about. Of course, I don't keep up with rulings and texts.

Anyway, I see six possibilities:
1) The "Explanation" error. Someone at UDE tried to elaborate and extrapolated an incorrect example.
2) A mechanics change. It's happening more and more.
3) Specific ruling for this card. Balance or making cards useful or whatever.
4) Miscommunication.
5) Something about this card that makes it different. Or the theory of this mechanic is wrong.
6) Something... else.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
I'm inclined to say no, since it is has no activation effect. Generaly you need to chain to the activation of the card when dealing with spell and traps. I'm not sure I know of a instance where you can chiain to a Graveyard activated effect. (Other then that recent one fromn SOI)
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I agree that you can't chain Barrel Behind the Door to KSDB because you miss the timing for the effect. KSDB doesn't activate until after it's destroyed and sent to the graveyard and is unable to be chained to at that point unless BBtD is chained first to the effect and activation of Heavy Storm, Mystical Space Typhoon or any other card that would cause KSDB to be destroyed.
 
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HorusMaster said:
I agree that you can't chain Barrel Behind the Door to KSDB because you miss the timing for the effect. KSDB doesn't activate until after it's destroyed and sent to the graveyard and is unable to be chained to at that point unless BBtD is chained first to the effect and activation of Heavy Storm, Mystical Space Typhoon or any other card that would cause KSDB to be destroyed.
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KSDB begins a new chain, it would still be a legal target for BBtD.
 
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