Majestic Mech-?

[squid]

Flipping "Majestic Mech "“ Ohka" or "Majestic Mech "“ Goryu" face-down will not reset their memory of how they were Summoned. So if you Normal Summoned them with fewer Tributes by using their effect, they will still be destroyed by their effect during the End Phase even if they have been flipped face-down since being Summoned. (However, as long as they are face-down DURING the End Phase, their effect will not activate during that End Phase.)

The effect of "Majestic Mech "“ Ohka" and "Majestic Mech "“ Goryu" that destroys itself will activate during the End Phase of every turn (if they were Normal Summoned with fewer Tributes by using their effect).

So, if I Normal Summon Ohka/Goryu with their effect, using less Tributes, AND I use an effect like Dimensionhole to remove it until the following turn, I still lose it?

It just seems at odds with the way similar effects, like Spirit monsters and Majestic Mech-Senku, work. How is that explained?

The effect of "Majestic Mech "“ Senku" that destroys itself only activates during the End Phase of the turn it was Summoned. If it manages to remain on the field longer than that, it will not destroy itself during any following End Phase.

 

[soulwarrior]

So, if I Normal Summon Ohka/Goryu with their effect, using less Tributes, AND I use an effect like Dimensionhole to remove it until the following turn, I still lose it?

This ruling:

The effect of "Majestic Mech - Ohka" and "Majestic Mech - Goryu" that destroys itself will activate during the End Phase of every turn (if they were Normal Summoned with fewer Tributes by using their effect).

states exactly that. They will be destroyed.

It just seems at odds with the way similar effects, like Spirit monsters and Majestic Mech-Senku, work. How is that explained?

Senku's card text states that it will be sent to the Graveyard in the End Phase of the turn it has been special-, flip- or normal summoned. If it is not face up on the field in the end phase of the turn it was summoned in, it can stay longer on the field.

The effects of spirit monsters activate during every end phase, so they work just like the effects of Ohka and Goryu.

soul

 

[squid]

I have to respectfully disagree with you there, Soulwarrior.

If a Spirit monster is returned to the field by the effect of Dimensionhole (or other similar effect) then it was not summoned that turn and will not be returned to the hand at the end of that turn. Their return effects only activate if they were summoned that turn, which Dimensionhole dodges.

That is what I am reading from Senku's effect text, as well.

The fact that Ohka and Goryu are different is a bit confusing to me because I see nothing other than the ruling to infer that their effects would do anything different.

 

[soulwarrior]

I have to respectfully disagree with you there, Soulwarrior.

If a Spirit monster is returned to the field by the effect of Dimensionhole (or other similar effect) then it was not summoned that turn and will not be returned to the hand at the end of that turn. Their return effects only activate if they were summoned that turn, which Dimensionhole dodges.

Ah, you're right.
Sorry, I thought of the 'normal case', when you summon it, maybe attack with them and in the End Phase, they return to your hand, that's why I wrote the effect will apply 'every turn'.

The fact that Ohka and Goryu are different is a bit confusing to me because I see nothing other than the ruling to infer that their effects would do anything different.

Well, they don't specifically state that their effects trigger only the turn they were summoned.
If you special summon Strike Ninja with Premature, use it's effect (therefore, you're 'resetting' it, because it left the field) and during the next turn summon Jowgen, you can still destroy Strike Ninja, because monsters never 'forget' how they were summoned in the first way.

There are some things that can't be 'reset'. And how a monster was summoned is one of these things.

soul

 

[squid]

I was about to say "They dont?", when I looked them up real fast and saw you are right.

If this card attacks your opponent's Life Points directly, draw 1 card from your Deck. This card is sent to the Graveyard during the End Phase of the turn it was Normal Summoned, Flip Summoned or Special Summoned.

You can Normal Summon this card without Tributing a monster. If you Normal Summon it this way, it is sent to the Graveyard during the End Phase.

You can Normal Summon this card by Tributing 1 monster. If you Normal Summon it this way, it is sent to the Graveyard during the End Phase. During battle between this attacking card and a Defense Position monster whose DEF is lower than the ATK of this card, inflict the difference as Battle Damage to your opponent's Life Points.

They don't actually mention it being sent to the Grave during the same turn it was summoned, just the End Phase.

Thanks, Soul! That really helped clear up the confusion

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

A monster never forgets how it was brought to the field.
(re: Jowgen the spiritualist)

If you Normal Summon it this way, it is sent to the Graveyard during the End Phase.

"the" is there to make the card text fluent ("During End Phase" seems like broken english, even though it would be more accurate in this case) "The" does not mean "this coming end phase" (which a definite article might imply.)

However "a" or "any" woulmight make it look like its effect was optional.

I would think of the text as being:
"If you Normal Summon it this way you must send this card to the graveyard during any End Phase."