March 1, 2007 Restriction List

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babyarm said:
I bet anything that Tewart is sitting in his office, the new ban list on his screen, and his finger poised over the "Send" button...and in the other window, he's reading responses to this posted ban list and laughing maniacally.
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Heck, I wouldn't blame him....a guy has to have SOME fun! <laffin> Keep em wondering and half the chickens flying!
 
In the year and a half that I've been playing, it looks like the ban lists always have big issues but there is a good side for me and that's trying to figure out how to build a new deck around the limitations. As I've said before though, I don't duel competitively, only with my son, but, we try to adhere to the Advanced Format to learn strategies, etc. I still think this game is a lot of fun and very intriguing.

Maybe that will change if I've played as long as you all?
 
If its ture I will Judge but not play any more. This would be one of the worst list yet. I just might take my decks apart and put them back in my binders.
 
To me this list doesn't seem all that bad. Yes the 2x Assailants would be about as broke as it gets with Snipe Hunter but side decked DD Crows will take care of that. When I see a new list all I hope for is that you don't look at it and say "_____ is the new CC deck, crap", I don't see that here nothing really becomes over powered. On the bright side for those of you whom dislike it, if this is the list it's only for 6 months.
 
Y'know, of all the things, I would've thought they would have put some restrictions on Snipe Hunter, considering how Night Assailant's at 2.
 
Graceful Charity - the more affected with this r DW Decks
Sangan - This will slow ur frog to get into the field or exileds T_T
Mirror Force - I love this card, Whyyy this leaves? well I think why, they bring back Dark Hole jejeje
Catapolt turtle - humm a combo with we haven´t notice maybe =s
Dark Hole - humm, this is a good help against Gadgets and Dark World decks
Chaos Sorcerer - With this guy and another cards that come back I think Chaos will be back ¬_¬
Pot of Greed - well Graceful is out and Pot is in like always ¬_¬
TER - humm another card for the Chaos Decks with Lots of Flips also welcome back Metamorphosis
Neo Spacian Grand Mole - =s
Reinforcement of the Army - When I use a "RotA" I always use one LOL except in that "Six Samurai Deck" I was planning
Reckless Greed - humm...maybe because pot of greed came
Wall of Revealing Light - humm...
Gold Sarcophagus - humm...any card in 2 turns...that was expected LOL
Lightning Vortex - with 2 night assailants this guys pwns and more if people r goin to use Chaos with flips LOL
Nigh Assailant - well flips flips flips and chaos chaos chaos
Nobleman of Crossout - we need something againts Flips =P
MST - humm, I love MST LOL maybe also for the Gems who knows
 
babyarm said:
I bet anything that Tewart is sitting in his office, the new ban list on his screen, and his finger poised over the "Send" button...and in the other window, he's reading responses to this posted ban list and laughing maniacally.
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It's not a secret that I generally dislike and distrust that man, but I assure you ... he'll be just as unhappy with this list as we would be should it ring true. He may be a jerk at times, but I know he's got our back on the Forbidden lists as much as he can. I really truly believe that.
 
I just meant that he'd be laughing at the outrage over the posted list, while looking at his fair and balanced list on the other screen. Kevin's the man.
 
babyarm said:
I just meant that he'd be laughing at the outrage over the posted list, while looking at his fair and balanced list on the other screen. Kevin's the man.
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Sorry ... I totally misunderstood you :D And here I went and said ANOTHER nice thing about Kevin in public too! Oh man! ;)

lol
 
Aww C***. I had just built a Fiend deck that revolved around Snipe Hunter. First tournament play I got 2nd place with it. I will have to cut sangan, Graceful Charity, and mirror force. I don't mind having Pot of Greed back. Tell you the truth I sarted to go to turnaments about 1 year and 2 months ago. With sangan gone it will make it harder for me to get Snipe Hunter to my hand plus with gracefuk chartiy gone thats 2 fiends not going to my graveyard. Maybe sometime next week I'll post a list for it in the advanced area. Reinforcements of the Army at 1 will hurt my Six Samurai deck I have in mind, but one of the Gem Beast - Sapphire Pegasus was a good idea. It just sounds to powerful. This list is just BULL! In the Force of breaker they have a new Chaos Sorcerer that is just harder to get out, so it just does not make sense. I think someone is trying to trick us in to thinking this is real. That is my opinion.
 
This list is not too bad. It probably should have been a little bit more restrictive. As I have stated in a previous threads, the card and its composite should always be banned. An example is Witch and Sangan. Sangan when you really think about it is ends up just like WOTBF, just finding weaker monster, which is just as deadly or possible use of Crush Card. Personally, I prefer a more proactive approach in banning. I will wait for confirmation, before I make any decisions. Here is some food for thought:

Unbanning Pot is not too bad. But here is something everyone should consider, Graceful Charity has you draw 3 cards, and discard 2, while Pot of Greed has you draw 2 random cards which will save you or kill you (assuming you deck out or draw two cards that are not of any use, that is unless you are the Pharaoh and somehow make Double Spell out of nowwhere, lol) because, the cards will be useless at the time or you will deck yourself out.

Now Graceful at first glance may not seem two deadly, but think about this. You get two cards in the Graveyard, more than likely you will discard monsters, which are easily sent to Graveyard, and then revived, or removed from the game to be revived via Dimension Fusion or a Special Summon of some sort. Just imagine Graceful with the Sky Demon Lords. It should be harder to send monsters to the Graveyard. Don't forget we still don't have Foolish Burial yet, which I want.

The smart way to play Graceful is obviously to discard cards from your original hand, so that way you really lose much, and get to keep 3 cards in your hand. This mainly goes for playing GC first time. The second time around that Graceful is played you may lose something of value. In addition a large part of the Yugioh game is the Normal Summon and Special Summon, which Graceful easily allowed.

When Pot of Greed was banned, what really made it so deadly? Was it Pot itself, or cards that allowed you easily reuse Pot of Greed? There are other examples, in which the card that allowed the unbanned card allowed the banned card to work at its maximum potential, and not the card itself. The first one that comes to mind for me is Catapult Turtle. Can anyone find examples of cards that also fit this scenario?

Believe or not it would be the cards that allowed Pot to be easily reused, not Pot itself that made it so deadly. Which cards allowed this Magician of Faith, Spell Reproduction (which I am suprised has not been played a lot), and Magical Stone Excavation.

Scenario #1
Graceful Charity reused by MOF, so you draw six cards and discard four cards.

Scenario #2
Now just imagine Magical Stone Excavation reused with Graceful Charity. In total with MSE you would be able draw six cards and discard 4+2 cards, for a total of six. (Dr. Collector performed this excellent move), or Magical Stone Excavation used with Pot of Greed instead and drawing 4 cards, and dumping only 2 cards.
In the case of Pot of Greed I believe it is 1:2 ratio or 1/2, am I correct?

Scenario #2.5 (very scary, and World Champion worthy move)
And the possibilities are even deadlier with Magician of Faith and Spell Reproduction in conjunction with MSE and Graceful Charity. This could be an endless loop (but is not an infinite loop by anymeans), since Spell Reproduction is not limited, along with the semi-restricting of Night Assailant (along with use Soul Reversal, and just maybe Hidden Book of Spell). Or just using MOF (which is now restricted), to draw 4 cards with no consequence. This was one of the reasons that Pot was banned in the first place. I mean you never know if MOF could even be banned, since it is deadlier overall for allowing the use of the Pot with no consequence, but at least with MSE you lose something.

Scenario #3
If Future Fusion was to be banned, and Overload Fusion was to be restricted, this could be a great alternative for dumping monsters in your graveyard.

Now this is not to say that Spells or Traps will not be discarded, but this is something to definetely think about.

Conclusion
By the way does anyone know how Kazuki Takahashi is involved in the ban list? I wonder how he is involved. Maybe he might have had something to do with Pot of Greed being unbanned, after all almost all the GX duelists use this card, especially when they were in a tight spot. Hardly anyone would play Disgraceful Charity or Graceful Charity. Has anyone besides myself ever noticed that?

This food for thought is no way proclaiming whether I think Pot or Graceful should be banned, this is something I am still contemplating. So then I ask once more is it the card itself that makes it ban worthy, or the card it used in conjunction with that makes it deadly? (e.g.-MOF with Pot of Greed, and the annoying Tsukyomi)
 
Peps said:
As I initially believed, this list has been confirmed to be fake, there is no way such a terrible list could ever exist. Also, with no official source mentioned, there is no reason for it to be believed. Anyways here's the link:

http://www.pojo.biz/board//threads/396938
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Well, I am glad that I waited for confirmation first before I made any changes, as stated in my first paragraph, and left my article as food for thought. Thanks Peps. What is Nintendo BBS?
 
As I said in the initial post, there was no attribution given, so there was no way to confirm the validity of the list. You'll have to excuse me if I'm a little cautious of believing anything that comes from Pojo though either.
 
It was originally claimed that Shriek discovered the banlist information from the Nintendo BBS website, however, Nintendo BBS just now announced that the banlist they revealed is fake.
 
cameron2010 said:
Well, I am glad that I waited for confirmation first before I made any changes, as stated in my first paragraph, and left my article as food for thought. Thanks Peps. What is Nintendo BBS?
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Exactly, and how did they discover that it was a fake? It's a vicious circle. Didnt they wait to confirm it?
 
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