Maruading Captain vs Bottomless Trap Hole

[PerfectZelgadis]

This came up in a recent duel I had.

Player A has a face down bottomless trap hole
Player B summons Maruading Captain and by effect summons Berserk Gorilla
Player A triggers Bottomless

Are both monsters removed?

Thanks for the help.

 

[myra]

let see, have i understand the hole thing??

so MC summond and the priority stay on turnplayer, to use the effekt of MC to special summon one monster, so if u response to the summon of MC with BTH, all mons an the same "block of summon" are destroyed?

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

let see, have i understand the hole thing??

so MC summond and the priority stay on turnplayer, to use the effekt of MC to special summon one monster, so if u response to the summon of MC with BTH, all mons an the same "block of summon" are destroyed?

The effect of Marauding Captain uses up a player's priority.

In the situation you described, only the monster Special Summoned by Marauding Captain's effect is destroyed by Bottomless Trap Hole, Marauding Captain effect has already resolved and is not included.

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

How can a special summons by his effect be simultaneous to his summon if his summon must be successful and complete before his effect can be activated?

Maruading Captain's effect has already resolved by the time a Player activates Bottomless Trap Hole to the Special Summoned monster from the effect.

 

[daivahataka]

But isn't that the whole source of this debate:
MCaptain summoned and not negated => immediately activate his effect and choose a Lv 4 or lower monster to special summon.
Opponent now gets first chance to respond to summoning of MCaptain and due to bonuses MCaptain's Atk is 1500 or higher so the opponent activated BTH against MCaptain.

Ehh, wait a minute..., considering how this would resolve, MCaptain's effect would resolve AFTER BTH, since BTH is chained to the activation of this effect, and so the special summon wouldn't be affected by BTH. Really don't see how BTH can get both MCaptain and the special summoned monster as if you wait for the effect to resolve and then activate the BTH you've lost the timing for getting MCaptain, just as you would were you to wait for the resolution of Breaker's spell counter before activating BTH against him.

 

[masterwoo0]

If Marauding Captain's attack was increased by a field bonus such as "Gaia Power", then he would automatically be eligible for Bottomless Trap Hole's effect. Since the player controlling him would have priority on summoning, he could still activate his effect to summon a Level 4 or below "Monster" from his hand to the field.

Since your opponent would normally respond to the summon, he can now only "chain" to his effect.

The result would be that Marauding Captain would be removed from play, but his effect would still Special Summon a monster to the field.

If Marauding Captain was at normal attack strength, then the opponent can only wait to see what attack strength the Monster that will be summoned by Marauding Captain's effect is, before he can activate Bottomless Trap Hole. If it's 1500 or above, then he can respond to the Special Summon, but only the monster Special Summoned would be removed.

 

[novastar]

Maybe I should stay out of this one, but its too interesting to not put my two cents in. In the post that started all of this MC was summoned, correct? For MC to use his effect he has to be on the field, right? His normal summon successful and complet. Then his effect can be activated. I hope I'm on the right road so far. Otherwise, his effect could be activated from your hand, graveyard or somewhere in between and I know thats not so. One of BTH rulings says:

"This card can remove from play multiple monsters at once, if they are Summoned simultaneously. Since this card can affect multiple monsters, it does not target."

How can a special summons by his effect be simultaneous to his summon if his summon must be successful and complete before his effect can be activated?

Its a good point to bring up that ruling....

The thing i always find funny is that just because Bottomless Trap Hole can affect multiple monsters does not mean that it has to be non-targeting. There are MANY examples of effects that can have multiple targets and remain a targeted effect.

An effect being targeted has nothing to do with the total number of targets but whether you choose which monsters are affected by it when you activate it (or before).

 

[Raijinili]

Or... you can say that while Dark Paladin was the last event FOR this chain, and the other monster is the last event OF this chain, it would remove both as they were both active last events?