Mask Of Restrict Vs Ancient Gear Castle/Factory

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Mask of Restrict
Continuous Trap
Neither player can Tribute any monster under any conditions.

Ancient Gear Castle
Continuous Spell
Increase the ATK of each face-up monster on the field that includes "Ancient Gear" in its card name by 300 points. Each time a monster(s) is Normal Summoned or Set, put 1 counter on this card. If you Tribute Summon a monster that includes "Ancient Gear" in its card name, you can substitute this card for a Tribute(s), if the number of counters is equal to or greater than the number of required Tribute(s).

Ancient Gear Factory
Normal Spell
Select 1 monster in your hand that includes "Ancient Gear" in its card name (show the monster to your opponent). Remove from play cards in your Graveyard that include "Ancient Gear" in their card name(s) whose total Levels are equal to double the selected card's. You don't have to Tribute when you Normal Summon the selected card this turn.
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I was thinking of this combo last night for a deck, but I was unsure if it would be permitted. If you have Mask of Restrict in play, can you still use the effects of Ancient Gear Castle and/or Ancient Gear Factory to bypass the tribute restriction. I'm not too sure about Ancient Gear Castle, but I feel Ancient Gear Factory will be able to help because it refers in the text that you can normal summon with tribute if you use the effect, any thoughts?
 
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The only argument I have against that is that you are not tributing a monster, only a continuous spell card, and Mask of Restrict says quite clearly 'neither player can tribute any monster under any condition'. The situation with Kiryu is a monster card that has become an equip spell card, but is still technically a monster. Only saying this really as Mask of Restrict is a bit vague. If my theory is proved to be wrong, it's cool.
 
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Jack Of All Decks said:
Ah thanks for the info. I get the feeling though if I build this deck, people will argue this point because there is no official rulings related to it.
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There may be no official ruling, but Mask of Restrict says only monsters.

If it made a blanket statement such as, "You cannot tribute under ANY condition", then I could see room for dispute.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
There may be no official ruling, but Mask of Restrict says only monsters.

If it made a blanket statement such as, "You cannot tribute under ANY condition", then I could see room for dispute.
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That's what makes the ruling on Kiryu unfortunate:

While "Mask of Restrict" is active, you cannot Tribute "Kiryu" because "Mask of Restrict" prevents all Tributing, including Tributing Equip Spell Cards.
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This ruling says Mask of Restrict prevents all Tributing. That's room for dispute right there for anyone aware of this ruling. I'm pretty sure they meant to say "prevents all Tributing of Monsters, including Monsters treated as Equip Spell Cards," but that's not what they said.

I'm not arguing that you are wrong, because I do agree on this. I'm just saying this ruling opens the door for arguing otherwise.
 
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Mask of Restrict
Continuous Trap

Neither player can Tribute any monster under any conditions.


Now, that is not saying that all tributes are prevented. Only tributes of monsters.

Kiryu becomes a Equip Spell Card only because it is a Union Monster that is actually equipped to a Monster by his effect. Even if he were to be equipped by the effect of Thousand-Eyes Restrict or Relinquished, it is still a Monster Card that became a Equip Spell Card, that is still inherently a Monster.

Kiryu is NOT by any means a Spell Card. He will always be a monster card for purposes of Mask of Restrict's effect.

Think "Hamon, Lord of Striking Thunder".

EDIT: And, as you stated Ancient_Duelist, that poorly written ruling more than likely is written to reflect that vantage point of no monsters can be tributed for Summons, Effects, etc, preventing all Tributes involving monsters.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Mask of Restrict
Continuous Trap

Neither player can Tribute any monster under any conditions.


Now, that is not saying that all tributes are prevented. Only tributes of monsters.

Kiryu becomes a Equip Spell Card only because it is a Union Monster that is actually equipped to a Monster by his effect. Even if he were to be equipped by the effect of Thousand-Eyes Restrict or Relinquished, it is still a Monster Card that became a Equip Spell Card, that is still inherently a Monster.

Kiryu is NOT by any means a Spell Card. He will always be a monster card for purposes of Mask of Restrict's effect.

Think "Hamon, Lord of Striking Thunder".
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Why would it be a monster card for purposes of Mask of Restrict and not for a card like Ceasefire?
 
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Tkwiget said:
Hamon, Lord of Striking Thunder isn't really important in this discussion. He says "Continuous Spell Cards" and not just "Spell Cards" for the method in which you summon him.

Mask of Restrict prevents both players from using Monster Cards as Tributes for any reason and under any circumstance.
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Equip Cards are continuous. Just because it doesnt have the infinity symbol doesnt mean that when it's used, it goes to the Graveyard after resolution.

Anyway, the logic you are using for Ceasefire would then also affect monsters that are equipped face-down by Relinquished, which it does not.

We already have stated several times that a monster that becomes an Equip Spell Card no longer has an effect that counts on the field (with exception of Union's). So because of that, what would happen if I absorb my opponents face-up Bowganian? Would it still inflict damage each Standby Phase? No.

The biggest thing I think needs to be remembered is, you have not changed the characteristics of the Monster Card just because it is now equipped. It is just, by virtue of its position on the field, An Equip Spell Card, and other than cards that are like Hamon, Lord of Striking Thunder and Uria, lord of searing flame, when have you ever been able to tribute anything from your Spell and Trap Zone to perform a summon?
 
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Equip Spell cards aren't really continuous. Equip Spell cards and Continuous Spell cards are two completely types of Spell Cards. Continuous Spell cards, for one thing, don't always target a Monster Card. Equip Spell cards do.

Hamon, Lord of Striking Thunder is specifically looking for Continuous Spell Cards. Not face-up Spell Cards. This will not include Equip Spell Cards as they aren't Continuous Spell Cards.

As for Ceasefire.

The reason monsters like Unions and Monster Cards that have been changed to Equip Spell Cards won't be affected by Ceasefire because while they're considered to be Equip Spell Cards, they have no Battle Position for Ceasefire to determine. If they have no Battle Position, Ceasefire will not look at it as a Monster Card.
 
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Tkwiget said:
Equip Spell cards aren't really continuous. Equip Spell cards and Continuous Spell cards are two completely types of Spell Cards. Continuous Spell cards, for one thing, don't always target a Monster Card. Equip Spell cards do.

Hamon, Lord of Striking Thunder is specifically looking for Continuous Spell Cards. Not face-up Spell Cards. This will not include Equip Spell Cards as they aren't Continuous Spell Cards.

As for Ceasefire.

The reason monsters like Unions and Monster Cards that have been changed to Equip Spell Cards won't be affected by Ceasefire because while they're considered to be Equip Spell Cards, they have no Battle Position for Ceasefire to determine. If they have no Battle Position, Ceasefire will not look at it as a Monster Card.
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At the risk of turning this into another off-topic discussion, Premature Burial cannot be used by the effect of Serial Spell because its not a Normal Spell Card.

An Equip Spell Card still falls under "Continuous". You can send a Field Spell Card. It doesnt have the Infinity Symbol either.

And again, Battle Position for Ceasefire is not the sole reason. You cannot activate Ceasefire unless you have at least one face-up effect monster, or one face-down monster. A face-down monster can be in face-down attack or face-down defense. A face-up monster can be in defense or attack. You only need a face-up effect monster, regardless of position, in the Monster Zone.

An absorbed or Equipped Monster can be face-up, but it still won't count for Ceasefire.
 
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A Field Spell Card is a Field Spell Card. Continuous Spell Card is a Continuous Spell Card. They are all different types of spell cards. Hamon is specifically saying what it needs to send to the Graveyard in order to be summoned. He's saying Continuous Spell Cards. Not "face-up Spell Cards". If he said that, then it would include Equip and Field Spell cards.

There's five types of Spell Cards.

Normal
Equip
Quick-Play
Continuous
Field

Each are different types of spell cards. Hamon, Lord of Striking Thunder is looking for Continuous Spell Cards. Not Normal, Equip, or Quick-Play Spell Cards.

This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by sending 3 face-up Continuous Spell Cards from your side of the field to the Graveyard. When this card destroys your opponent's monster as a result of battle and sends it to the Graveyard, inflict 1000 points of damage to your opponent's Life Points. While this card is in face-up Defense Position on your side of the field, your opponent cannot select another monster as an attack target.
 
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