Mask Of Restrict Vs Ancient Gear Castle/Factory

[Jack Of All Decks]

Mask of Restrict
Continuous Trap
Neither player can Tribute any monster under any conditions.

Ancient Gear Castle
Continuous Spell
Increase the ATK of each face-up monster on the field that includes "Ancient Gear" in its card name by 300 points. Each time a monster(s) is Normal Summoned or Set, put 1 counter on this card. If you Tribute Summon a monster that includes "Ancient Gear" in its card name, you can substitute this card for a Tribute(s), if the number of counters is equal to or greater than the number of required Tribute(s).

Ancient Gear Factory
Normal Spell
Select 1 monster in your hand that includes "Ancient Gear" in its card name (show the monster to your opponent). Remove from play cards in your Graveyard that include "Ancient Gear" in their card name(s) whose total Levels are equal to double the selected card's. You don't have to Tribute when you Normal Summon the selected card this turn.

I was thinking of this combo last night for a deck, but I was unsure if it would be permitted. If you have Mask of Restrict in play, can you still use the effects of Ancient Gear Castle and/or Ancient Gear Factory to bypass the tribute restriction. I'm not too sure about Ancient Gear Castle, but I feel Ancient Gear Factory will be able to help because it refers in the text that you can normal summon with tribute if you use the effect, any thoughts?

 

[Cropz]

the japanese text of Mask of Restrict doesn't mention monsters...

Quoted for Emphasis.

this is just another case of "TCG text is not how the card is supposed to work", and 'Mask of Restrict' is quite old as well.

one could say "but it was recently reprinted!". so what? 'Enchanted Javelin' was also recently reprinted with a "wrong" text, not to mention a lot of other cards that are supposed to work in a complete different way than the TCG text depicts and were never Errata'd.

and, as you all can see, 'Kiryu''s rulings are clear when stating that 'Mask of Restrict' prevents ALL forms of tributes, not just that of monsters, so it would also prevent a player from tributing 'Ancient Gear Castle' (but not for 'Ancient Gear Factory', as it doesn't tribute anything).

 

[Tkwiget]

Or the ruling could be saying that Mask of Restrict is preventing Monster Cards from being tributed. Union monsters are "considered" as "Equip Spell Cards" when equipped to monsters. They still are Monster Cards in the end.

However, since I've never been able to find anything on JERP (or get the thing to work for that matter) I can't confirm the OCG card text, but I'm not at a disagreement with you either Cropz.

jama_bla

 

[anthonyj]

Quoted for Emphasis.

this is just another case of "TCG text is not how the card is supposed to work", and 'Mask of Restrict' is quite old as well.

one could say "but it was recently reprinted!". so what? 'Enchanted Javelin' was also recently reprinted with a "wrong" text, not to mention a lot of other cards that are supposed to work in a complete different way than the TCG text depicts and were never Errata'd.

and, as you all can see, 'Kiryu''s rulings are clear when stating that 'Mask of Restrict' prevents ALL forms of tributes, not just that of monsters, so it would also prevent a player from tributing 'Ancient Gear Castle' (but not for 'Ancient Gear Factory', as it doesn't tribute anything).

So Mask of Restrict could not be offered to summon Uria?

 

[Tkwiget]

Uria, Lord of Searing Flames doesn't Tribute anything. It "sends" cards to the Graveyard. A little different.

 

[anthonyj]

Uria, Lord of Searing Flames doesn't Tribute anything. It "sends" cards to the Graveyard. A little different.

Good point.

 

[Chillout1984]

Or the ruling could be saying that Mask of Restrict is preventing Monster Cards from being tributed. Union monsters are "considered" as "Equip Spell Cards" when equipped to monsters. They still are Monster Cards in the end.

However, since I've never been able to find anything on JERP (or get the thing to work for that matter) I can't confirm the OCG card text, but I'm not at a disagreement with you either Cropz.

jama_bla

Thanx to DMComet:
BE1-JP221
SACRIFICE-SEALING MASK
Type: Permanent Trap
Effect: No players may sacrifice monsters.

This is the most recent text on the OCG version, unless there was an errata on it AFTER Beginner Edition 1 (Dark Beginning in the TCG) was released.

 

[Tkwiget]

Even that card text doesn't say you can't Tribute your Ancient Gear Castle.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mask of Restrict [/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](Labyrinth of Nightmare, Dark Beginning 1)
Neither player can Tribute any monster under any conditions.[/font]
http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/faq_errata_01.aspx

Both the TCG and OCG card text mean the exact same thing.

 

[masterwoo0]

Dont you just hate those little mind teasers, "Send and Tribute"?

 

[DarkLogicianOfCaos]

Yeah, I mean, the Official Yugioh site even clearly states:

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Equip Cards[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]An "Equip Card" is any card that is equipped to a face-up monster on the field. Spell Cards with the Equip Icon are the most common type of Equip Card, and are officially called Equip Spell Cards. They are treated as both Spell Cards (They would be destroyed by the effect of "Heavy Storm") and Equip Cards (for purposes such as "Gearfried the Swordmaster".) Other cards may become Equip Cards though card effects, like with "Sword Hunter" or Union Monsters. Whenever a Monster Card becomes an Equip Card, it is treated as an Equip Spell Card, and is no longer a Monster Card. So a "Dark Magician" equipped to your "Sword Hunter" as an Equip Card could be destroyed by "Heavy Storm" but not "Tribute to The Doomed".

[/font]



Inconsistancies.........

EDIT

Woah. sorry guys, this goes back to something earlier. My computer locked it up and it didn't post until now (like 3 minutes later

 

[Cropz]

Thanx to DMComet:
BE1-JP221
SACRIFICE-SEALING MASK
Type: Permanent Trap
Effect: No players may sacrifice monsters.

This is the most recent text on the OCG version, unless there was an errata on it AFTER Beginner Edition 1 (Dark Beginning in the TCG) was released.

yay, let's use unofficial translations as base.

this is the japanese wording of 'Mask of Restrict':

生贄封じの仮面
永続罠
いかなる場合による生け贄も行う事ができなくなる。


as you can see (or not), the text doesn't say "Monster" ( モンスタ ) anywhere.

 

[Chillout1984]

You're right, strange... Normally DMComet is right in their translation...

 

[masterwoo0]

Yeah, I mean, the Official Yugioh site even clearly states:

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Equip Cards[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]An "Equip Card" is any card that is equipped to a face-up monster on the field. Spell Cards with the Equip Icon are the most common type of Equip Card, and are officially called Equip Spell Cards. They are treated as both Spell Cards (They would be destroyed by the effect of "Heavy Storm") and Equip Cards (for purposes such as "Gearfried the Swordmaster".) Other cards may become Equip Cards though card effects, like with "Sword Hunter" or Union Monsters. Whenever a Monster Card becomes an Equip Card, it is treated as an Equip Spell Card, and is no longer a Monster Card. So a "Dark Magician" equipped to your "Sword Hunter" as an Equip Card could be destroyed by "Heavy Storm" but not "Tribute to The Doomed".

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Inconsistancies.........

EDIT

Woah. sorry guys, this goes back to something earlier. My computer locked it up and it didn't post until now (like 3 minutes later

But Union Monsters are "different". They have the ability to change from Equip Spell Cards back to Monsters. Which is why they listed at least "one" for the example, but the unique thing about Kiryu is, that his effect to be tributed while a Equip Spell Card.

 

[masterwoo0]

yay, let's use unofficial translations as base.

this is the japanese wording of 'Mask of Restrict':

生贄封じの仮面
永続罠
いかなる場合による生け贄も行う事ができなくなる。


as you can see (or not), the text doesn't say "Monster" ( モンスタ ) anywhere.

You're right, I can't even read it!!! Darn Language thingee isnt translating it....

 

[Digital Jedi]

It becomes impossible also for the sacrifice due to in mask permanent trap some case of the sacrifice sealing to do.​

A lot a good Babel Fish does me.

 

[masterwoo0]

Didnt "sacrifice" have more meaning with "Sacrifice Summon's", and ultimately, Sacrificing Monsters?

 

[Jack Of All Decks]

Wow I didn't expect to see a huge discussion about this. I think at present, I will avoid doing that combo, if it has caused this much confusion, I know full well that if I duel someone will argue the point. Thanks anyway though.

 

[slither]

Didnt "sacrifice" have more meaning with "Sacrifice Summon's", and ultimately, Sacrificing Monsters?

Sounds logical, but nevertheless it is still a rough translation... sacrifice may be very well equivalent to tribute.

 

[masterwoo0]

Sounds logical, but nevertheless it is still a rough translation... sacrifice may be very well equivalent to tribute.

I cant say that I keep up with Japanese versus "Engrish" (yes, I used a "R" because if we keep screwing up the Translation, it must be because of bad "Engrish") Rulings, but I would say that even with the lack of "monster" being used, it still doesnt point to it being all tributes because I think they also used "offer" to mean "tribute" as well, and if that is the case, "offer" would seem more tailored to non-monsters, while "sacrifice" would be for monsters.

 

[slither]

I can't remember which card had a similar translation of "offer" and "sacrifice" in it's name... I believe it was "Offerings to the Doomed" which the Japanese name was "Sacrifice of the Condemmed" something like that, but im not 100% about it... they all "sound" similar and their meanings won't really vary that much.