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benoit_vc

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Some time ago , there were rulings concerning this card.

A lot of my duelists in the league, have had some good remarks about it.

There was a ruling thhat said : "You cannot activate this card during the damage step".

I looked it up and I've noticed an example where you can active michizure during the damage step.

This is an example from the netrep files some time ago:

Player A has a set man-eater bug.
Player B has a monster in Attack position and a Set Michizure for at least 1 turn.

Player B attack Player A's monster.

Player A's Monster flips and is destroyed.
Player A's man-eater bug destroys Player B's monster.
Now Player B can activate his Michizure and destroys Player A's Man-eater Bug.

That is why I have my doubts about that ruling.

If you can activate michizure in response to man-eater bugs effect in the damage step, then you can activate it when you send your monster to your graveyard.

Both steps are considered part of the damage step.
These steps being
First : Resolving effects of effectmonsters
Second : Send to the graveyard.
 
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I can't recall what was the ruling back then, but, this is now. The ruling is what is. Until then, I, me, myself, Nat as the Third Person, must uphold these rulings until someone official who is official enough to have something to say offically about it. Haha.

But I agree I must admit, the timing is correct so why not right? It's the same as Cyber Jar vs Torrential during the Damage Step, you can only activate cards that can modify the ATK/DEF of a monster card or an effect that can take place during the Damage Step, so we miss the timing of Torrential Tribute when monsters are Special Summoned through the effect of Cyber Jar.
 
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Michizure is a Normal Trap and, therefore, cannot be activated in the Damage Step. That means that it cannot be used when a monster is destroyed in Battle or through an effect that resolves in the Damage Step, such as Reflect Bounder. Further, you can only activate Michizure if the last event to occur is your monster being sent to the Graveyard since it is an optional effect

If you read the little text above, you'll notice a conflicting remarks.

First it says it cannot be activate in the damage step. and then it says it can only be activate when the last event is sent to the graveyard.

My question to you is : What is the last event you do when you monster is destroyed?
 
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Like I said, I can see things your way, but that's how the ruling is gonna be.

And regardless, your in the Damage Step correct? So you can't activate Michizure when it seems reasonable cuz your still in the Damage Step.

Another rule that can be applied to this, is that the only cards that can be played during the Damage Step is whether it says so, modifiers that increase/decrease attack, and ruling that allow cards to played during the Damage Step, like Dark Paladin.
 
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There will always be exceptions to the rule.

In general however the majority of Normal Traps (that do not modify ATK/DEF) cannot be activated during the Damage Step. Unless they have a very specific timing (Numinuous Healer), or are allowed to based on the text of the card (Nutrient Z).

The confusion with Michizure arises because the text is obscure and at one point you were able to use it in the JPN game.
 
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I find this section of the ruling quite confusing, it came from the I'll take your with me - Michizure document

If your opponent begins a chain and you or your opponent activate a card such as Ring of Destruction, you cannot activate Michizure if Ring of Destruction is not the very last effect to resolve.
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I had a situation come up with this where I activated Ring Of Destruction on his monster and he activated Michizure saying it was the start of a new chain. I tried looking the rule up about Ring with Michizure and only found this which didn't answer the question, but the way he went on about the snew chain made it sound like he was right so I let it slip. When I read futher on, I noticed that it had to be the last thing to happen for the monster to go to the graveyard. Checking it against Ring Of Destruction, the last thing to happen would be the damage surely since the monster is destroyed and sent to the graveyard with the damage coming last. Would that mean Michizure's timing has been missed and the effect would not go through?
 
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Mazera DeVille said:
I find this section of the ruling quite confusing, it came from the I'll take your with me - Michizure document



I had a situation come up with this where I activated Ring Of Destruction on his monster and he activated Michizure saying it was the start of a new chain. I tried looking the rule up about Ring with Michizure and only found this which didn't answer the question, but the way he went on about the snew chain made it sound like he was right so I let it slip. When I read futher on, I noticed that it had to be the last thing to happen for the monster to go to the graveyard. Checking it against Ring Of Destruction, the last thing to happen would be the damage surely since the monster is destroyed and sent to the graveyard with the damage coming last. Would that mean Michizure's timing has been missed and the effect would not go through?
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That's exactly what it means.
 
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Correct.

"Michizure" is similar to "Forced Requisition" and "Appropriate". They are not chained. They can only be activated when the condition is met (thereby starting a new chain). In order for that condition to be met the condition listed on the card (monster to graveyard, card discarded, card drawn) must be the LAST even to occur. In the case of "Ring of Destruction" the last thing to occur is damage inflicted. So you missed the timing to activate "Michizure".
 
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Only reason I ask is that the statement

If your opponent begins a chain and you or your opponent activate a card such as Ring of Destruction, you cannot activate Michizure if Ring of Destruction is not the very last effect to resolve.
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seems to make it sound like that there is a possibility, but if not cool, thanks for your help.
 
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