mistake on US Natinals finals or not?- Card Trooper

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Dr Sin

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Hi,

Reading metagame coverage of the finals, the below occured:

Corn activated Brain Control, taking Raiza! Raiza attacked directly and Rockenbach had to concede the poor trade: he flipped Mirror Force to protect himself. Corn set a monster, Rockenbach passed, and Corn checked his set monster. He flip summoned it "” Mystic Tomato, and then normal summoned Card Trooper. He pumped it to 1900 ATK, attacked with it directly, and Rockenbach revealed his last set card: Ring of Destruction! There was nothing he could do to save himself. Adam Corn had won the match!
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Now, I know that Card Trooper sending up to 3 cards to the grave is a cost, but if Rockenbach chained Ring to the effect he would destroy a 400 atk Card Trooper, right? Or the pump effect applies immediately?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Re-read it. The last act before Ring was activated was an attack. Trooper had already resolevd at 1900.
Besides, it says he revealed Ring, not that he used it. "There was nothing he could do..." Ring would not have helped.
 
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Yeah, I know that the last action was an direct attack.
But if he chained Ring to CT effect as I wrote, he would have destroyed a 400 atk CT, right? The question is still valid, because I'm not completely sure about it.
And come on, considering his options, I believe that it would be a nice idea... I mean, okay, he would reveal his set card before BP, but if his opponent didn't had Premature in hand or a set Call, he would not lose this turn. In fact, he would still be at 1100 LP, and could do much things yet...
 
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Considering the importance of that duel, I'd say that Rockenbach overlooked it, but yes it would have saved him from the Card Trooper. But even then, his come back might be very slim because Corn would have a card to replace his Trooper, while Rockenback would not.
 
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isnt this is a lot like ring/breaker scenario...?

if tp summons card trooper and uses priority to "pump" and pays cost to do so (sending 3 to gy) and non tp responds to summon with ring ,ring should destroy card trooper before efect to gain atk resolves, doing 400 dmg to both...but hes got to respond to summon for it to work..
 
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isnt this is a lot like ring/breaker scenario...?
if tp summons card trooper and uses priority to "pump" and pays cost to do so (sending 3 to gy) and non tp responds to summon with ring ,ring should destroy card trooper before efect to gain atk resolves, doing 400 dmg to both...but hes got to respond to summon for it to work..
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Yes, and that's my point. Considering the field and his options he would have chained ring to the effect. I don't know about you, but if I was playing the finals in the Nationals, I would do everything possible to try to win...
 
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Well when ya give in ya just dont care. Everyone reaches a point whereby you just fail to see the point in continuing be it because youre outmatched or because of a run of bad luck you end up feeling a bit like another turn wouldnt change a thing.
 
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Basically, at that point in time, during the attack, the only defense he had was the Ring, is what was going on when he "revealeded" the Ring. Even if he had chained it earlier to the activation of Card Trooper at 400 life points, he would've taken 400 from it, and Corn would've gotten the Trooper's draw, which still might've let him win on that turn. Only Corn's opponent knows for sure what was going through his mind at this moment.

But yes, had he activated it in chain to the effect, it would have destroyed it at 400 ATK. He most likely either knew he was dead, by that point anyway, or more likely, just missed his chance, in the heat of the moment, under the pressure. It's easy to look back after the fact and find little things like this which could've been done differently, who knows, this might haunt him for some time to come now, it might've made a difference, then again, it mostly likely wouldn'tve.
 
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Basically, at that point in time, during the attack, the only defense he had was the Ring, is what was going on when he "revealeded" the Ring. Even if he had chained it earlier to the activation of Card Trooper at 400 life points, he would've taken 400 from it, and Corn would've gotten the Trooper's draw, which still might've let him win on that turn. Only Corn's opponent knows for sure what was going through his mind at this moment.
But yes, had he activated it in chain to the effect, it would have destroyed it at 400 ATK. He most likely either knew he was dead, by that point anyway, or more likely, just missed his chance, in the heat of the moment, under the pressure. It's easy to look back after the fact and find little things like this which could've been done differently, who knows, this might haunt him for some time to come now, it might've made a difference, then again, it mostly likely wouldn'tve.
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Thank you for the reply. I thought about it sometime and concluded that he missed it probably because he knew he was in a bad situation and was under pressure. But if he activated Ring chaining to the effect of Card Trooper, he would still got some chances:
Card Trooper was the normal summon of the turn, so Corn would cause only 1400 LP damage (M. Tomato) + 400 CT = 1800. This would still leave Rockenbach with 1100 LP. Brain Control in his turn and Thestalos for example, would possibly change everything.
The only way Corn would finish him that turn was if he had Premature in hand, or a set Call, or Ring.
Well, that's it. My really doubt was already answered.
Thanks.

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Players make different decisions based on the current situation and their play style. It might seem like a mistake to you, while to him he might have thought there was no point in trying, and he was ready to accept he had lost the duel. Or maybe his thought was he didn't want to give him the +1 (Card Trooper's draw) because it would have made it just as inevitable that he was going to lose.
 
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I know that. But between 2 situations: 1- I lose if I don't give him the + gazillion or 2- I stay in the game and have still a little chance to win, I think most players will choose 2.
But it's just my 2 cents... I think it's a huge mistake, specially considering the fact that it occured on the finals and that the guy will represent USA in the Worlds. And come on, saying "he accepted that he lost because he saw he had nothing to do..." how can it be totally true? He still had some cards in hand, and would still draw for his turn. Like I said: Brain and a monarch, Cyber Dragon a monster and brain etc could completely change the game.
But that's enough for me... The rule question was the main concern, and I only needed to confirm.
Thanks for the reply.
 
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