Monster Priorites

[mikoal]

If any of u know where to find a link which answers all these questions, can u pls tell me?

Sorry i have to bother you with this, i have some questions regarding
priorities. i've been playing for a while now, and im not sure if i've
been playing it incorrectly. My questions break down into 4 parts,
normal summon, incorrect(eg:mag sci,metamorph)special summon, correct special summon and special summoning a successfully summoned mosnter.

1st
Exile force, TIV, abyss soldier

now how does thier effect work?? im hoping you can help me out.

ok.....
i summon tiv, and call warrior, and they can chain trap hole, torrent, ring...
ok i get that....

but they said
You declare the Type when you activate the effect and discard for the
cost, not when the effect resolves, so your opponent can chain after
you have announced which Type will be destroyed.

so what if i have BLS, and u declare warrior, then i book of
moon/compulsary evacuation device (CED) it, does that mean tiv's effect
fizzles????? and my monster is saved for the time being?

and also if i summon TIV, and dont do anything, and they play torrent
can i chain his effect to torrent???? or is it a must to use it
immediately???

and for abyss, when i summon him and u play bottomless, or ring, or
torrent, can i bounce abyss to my hand as a chain?

and for exile, bascially the same quesitons, but because he destroys
himself, u cant really ring, trap hole to stop him, ok that makes
sense............

but can u CED ur own monster......??? as a chain to his effect???

but since
EXILED FORCE
You cannot activate the effect of "Exiled Force" if it is the only
monster on the field.

so lets say for eg:
i have a magician, and a sinister serpeant and he uses exile's effect,
and i use CED as a chain to his effect...and pop my magician up, is he
forced to exile my sinister???

Also, can they ask you if u are using priority?
for eg: i summon TIV and they ask me am i using priority, and i said
no, then they play trap hole, can i still discard a card and declare a
type?

ok thats only the NORMAL summon part of the questions...........


my second part of the quesiton
improper Specially summoned monsters

thoudsand eye restrict (TER)
now, if i meta or mag sci him out, does he have the priority to absorb
a monster??

meaning he will definately absorb a monster successfully without being stopped, unless by solemn or horn of heaven.

im assumoing NO, cuz he wasnt "succesffuly" or properly summoned......

and what about ryu senshi??? when mag sci pops him out and i chain
torrent everyone dies but ryu senshi right??? because hes not out
yet??!?!?


and 3rd question, BLS, Chao Emp Drag........mainly BLS
these are succefully special siummoned monsters that met their
requiements, now since they did, they have priority right?? i mean if
they are summoned and u torrent they can out of play a monster as a
chian to your torrent right?? and they can also immediately out of
play ur monster when summoned......now can u comulse ur monster and
save it as a chain to BLS's effect????

and finally special summoned monsters that were successfully summoned
like exile, bls, tiv,abyss

they dont have priority right??
i mean u can ring, book, torrent them and they ahve no proproty to use
their effect?
for eg: you CANT use abyss' bouncing effect if u premat it and it gets
bottomless??

thanks for your time, i hope u can clear this up
im looking forward for a detailed responce, because these rulings are
still somewhat shady and i cant find them on
upperdeckentertainment.com, yugioh-card.com etc....

once agian, thanks...

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

another clarification, if u were to delcare priority with TER, so no matter what it gets to absorb a monster? unless summon is negated??

No. TER and Relinquished must be face-up on the field for their effect to resolve properly. Book of Moon, RIng of Destruction, (Bottomless) Trap Hole, etc will all prevent the monsters' effect from resolving.

 

[mikoal]

but isnt TER's face up effect to disable other mosnters to attack
whereas his other effect (absorbtion) is his ignition effect?

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

so if u call priority and add a counter on breaker, doesnt he automatically have 1900?? that cant be responded to...

another clarification, if u were to delcare priority with TER, so no matter what it gets to absorb a monster? unless summon is negated??

Breaker the Magical Warrior doesn't allow a player "priority" to activate any "other" effect. The effect when Breaker the Magical Warrior is "normal summoned" has already "triggered", so you don't have priority with any other effect.

Yes, a player has "priority" to activate the effect of Thousand-Eyes Restrict when it is summoned, However, it must be face-up upon resolution, or it will have no effect. So if you chain Book of Moon to Thousand Eye's Restrict's effect, you do not absorb.

 

[mikoal]

Breaker the Magical Warrior doesn't allow a player "priority" to activate any "other" effect. The effect when Breaker the Magical Warrior is "normal summoned" has already "triggered", so you don't have priority with any other effect.

Yes, a player has "priority" to activate the effect of Thousand-Eyes Restrict when it is summoned, However, it must be face-up upon resolution, or it will have no effect. So if you chain Book of Moon to Thousand Eye's Restrict's effect, you do not absorb.

i see, that makes sense,
because neither, BLS, TIV or exile needs to be face up upon resolution....
but the other stuff i got it right? right?

also just a query, IF, im saying if, there was a card like fissure or smashing gnd that ur opponent can activate on ur turn, does that mean u can chain ur ignition effect? since its spell speed one??

For eg: its ur turn and ur opponent activates a spell speed 1 card that kills TIV, and u chian to declare a type.....

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

You may never chain with an ignition effect.

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

i see, that makes sense,
because neither, BLS, TIV or exile needs to be face up upon resolution....
but the other stuff i got it right? right?

also just a query, IF, im saying if, there was a card like fissure or smashing gnd that ur opponent can activate on ur turn, does that mean u can chain ur ignition effect? since its spell speed one??

For eg: its ur turn and ur opponent activates a spell speed 1 card that kills TIV, and u chian to declare a type.....

You cannot chain to a Spell Speed 1 to another Spell Speed 1 effect. Not in this game, so it's impossible.

Ignition Effects are effects that you choose to activate during your turn.

 

[mikoal]

but once u forfeit this priority, then decides to use TIV's effect, the monster;s effect can be stopped?

 

[Digital Jedi]

so basically since they cant respond, they cant stop it unless they negate the summon.
So if u call priority with BLS,TIV,EXILE,TER those are all ignition effects and their effect will occur no matter what (unless negated summon), then the non turn player can chain a Trap Hole, ring, etc to the monster.....

so if u call priority and add a counter on breaker, doesnt he automatically have 1900?? that cant be responded to...


also since they are spell speed 1, once the priority is gone eg: the 2nd turn that monster is on the field, then technically you can chain to the monster's effect, eg: TIV declares warrior, and non turn player can BoM it.
or BLS tries to out of play a monster, you can compulsary evacuation device it, then BLS's effect would fizzle...
this is assuming the monster has survived a turn, thus relinquishing their priority.

and in that case, since these ignition effects are spell speed one, and the turn player chooses not to use the priority, then non turn player plays Torrential Tribute, the turn player can no longer use its effect, because a trap is spell speed 2 is that correct??

another clarification, if u were to delcare priority with TER, so no matter what it gets to absorb a monster? unless summon is negated??

Although you should call priority (meaning when you summon a monster you should declare if you are going to use it's effect) it is something you always have when it's your turn, whether declared or not. Your opponent however can respond to the effect, just as he can respond to the summon.

Basically all priority means is that on your turn you always get to be the first one to activate anything in a given Phase. Or you can pass on activating an effect and your opponent responds.

The effect would not "fizzle" as you say (depending on the card effects) because as the turn player you always have priority to activate first and, again, your opponent gets a chance to respond. These effects would simply chain and resolve backwards as any other cards and the resolution of the effects would entirely depend on the cards involved in the chain.

I'm a little uncertain about TER (just because so many things have been clarified or confused latley) but if memeory serves me correct you have priority to use his effect when you summon him and then your opponent can respond to the summon or the effect. (I'm sure someone here will correct me if I'm wrong)

EDIT: Wow. I know I'm an a dial up, but dang!

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

but once u forfeit this priority, then decides to use TIV's effect, the monster;s effect can be stopped?

First off, lets get things straight. Just makuing sure you understand what Priority is.

Priority has been in this game since the release of this game, this is where the Chain System begins and how it works.

Jim: activates Mystical Space Typhoon and designates 1 face-down Spell/Trap card on Bob's side of the field
(before you know it, Priority is happening, Priority is then passed to Bob if he wished to respond/chain to the effect]
Bob: chains with Waboku (the targetted card)

That was an example of Priority, believe it or not. You give each other a chance to chain/respond to effects in the Chain System, "passing" priority

Priority is not an "action" or a "power" given to a Player, you just have that ability already.

As the "Turn Player" always has "priority" to activate his/her effect before the Non-Turn Player can respond/chain to an effect.

This goes the same for monster, when they are summoned, Your given the chance to activate the effect before your opponent responds, because the summon is successful and is on your side of the field, and as the Turn Player, you always have priority to activate an effect.

 

[mikoal]

Although you should call priority (meaning when you summon a monster you should declare if you are going to use it's effect) it is something you always have when it's your turn, whether declared or not. Your opponent however can respond to the effect, just as he can respond to the summon.

Basically all priority means is that on your turn you always get to be the first one to activate anything in a given Phase. Or you can pass on activating an effect and your opponent responds.

so if u call priority and u can chain to the priority wiht a spell speed 2 how fast is the priority? and whicih would occur first?

 

[mikoal]

First off, lets get things straight. Just makuing sure you understand what Priority is.

Priority has been in this game since the release of this game, this is where the Chain System begins and how it works.

Jim: activates Mystical Space Typhoon and designates 1 face-down Spell/Trap card on Bob's side of the field
(before you know it, Priority is happening, Priority is then passed to Bob if he wished to respond/chain to the effect]
Bob: chains with Waboku (the targetted card)

That was an example of Priority, believe it or not. You give each other a chance to chain/respond to effects in the Chain System, "passing" priority

Priority is not an "action" or a "power" given to a Player, you just have that ability already.

As the "Turn Player" always has "priority" to activate his/her effect before the Non-Turn Player can respond/chain to an effect.

This goes the same for monster, when they are summoned, Your given the chance to activate the effect before your opponent responds, because the summon is successful and is on your side of the field, and as the Turn Player, you always have priority to activate an effect.

ok in that case
can u use Book of Moon on a monster when TIV's effect is used?
like
Player A MST
Player B wab
that can occur
Player B wab first
Player A MST destroys an activated WAB

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

so if u call priority and u can chain to the priority wiht a spell speed 2 how fast is the priority? and whicih would occur first?

Priority isn't what you think it is. Priority just given a chance for a Player to activate an effect.

So of course if you have Priority to activate an effect like Tribe-Infecting Virus, and you chain Ring of Destruction to the effect, therefore Ring of Destruction would resolve first of course, then Tribe-Inefcting Virus.

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

ok in that case
can u use Book of Moon on a monster when TIV's effect is used?
like
Player A MST
Player B wab
that can occur
Player B wab first
Player A MST destroys an activated WAB

The difference here is Mystical Space Typhoon destroys whatever card is targetted, face-up or face-down.

And yes, you can chain Book of Moon and target some other monster to the effect of Tribe-Infecting Virus, hopefully saving one monster from destruction. The difference here is that tribe-Infecting Virus destroys only "face-up monsters"

 

[mikoal]

Priority isn't what you think it is. Priority just given a chance for a Player to activate an effect.

So of course if you have Priority to activate an effect like Tribe-Infecting Virus, and you chain Ring of Destruction to the effect, therefore Ring of Destruction would resolve first of course, then Tribe-Inefcting Virus.

So in that case
the card Compulsary Evacuation Device (CED) can be used as a chain to the priority of the turn player

eg: TIV's effect, chain CED
so CED occurs first, then monster is saved

same with Exiled Force and same with against Black Luster SOldier's effect

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

So in that case
the card Compulsary Evacuation Device (CED) can be used as a chain to the priority of the turn player

eg: TIV's effect, chain CED
so CED occurs first, then monster is saved

same with Exiled Force and same with against Black Luster Soldier's effect

Yup, that's correct. Because the monsters targetted or whatever are no longer face-up on the field, so they can't be touched.

BTW, your NOT chaining to the "priority" of the Turn Player! Priority has always been there, it isn't an effect at all that makes it chainable.

 

[mikoal]

i see, so cards like Exiled Force would be wasted then.....

 

[mikoal]

your chaining the the prioritized effect, i guess?
so u can treat tiv's effect or exile's effect like MST


so isnt monsters like TIV and exile weak??
since not only their effects can be chained to....
techinically once u forfeit ur "INITIAL" priority to use the monster's effect, the non turn player can begin a chain, or its his turn for priority ("chain" to the summoning), and he can Ring of Destruction, or Trap Hole TIV, and the turn player wouldnt be able to chain TIV's effect, because ignition effects cant be chained............
so once u give up that initial priority, that monster is vulnerable

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

your chaining the the prioritized effect, i guess?
so u can treat tiv's effect or exile's effect like MST


so isnt monsters like TIV and exile weak??
since not only their effects can be chained to....
techinically once u forfeit ur "INITIAL" priority to use the monster's effect, the non turn player can begin a chain, or its his turn for priority ("chain" to the summoning), and he can Ring of Destruction, or Trap Hole TIV, and the turn player wouldnt be able to chain TIV's effect, because ignition effects cant be chained............
so once u give up that initial priority, that monster is vulnerable

Whoa buddy, Tribe-Infecting Virus or Exiled Force are NOT weak. There's a reason why these guys are Limited to 1 per deck.

There's a reason why sometimes Player's don't choose to activate monsters effects, and it could mean the difference.

Player2 has a face-down Divine Wrath
Player1 has a face-down monster

Player1: tributes face-down monster for Mobius the Forst Monarch, but Player1 chooses not activate Mobius the Forst Monarch's effect... then Priority is passed to Player2
Player2 however, cannot activate Divine Wrath to anything because no effect is "activating"

 

[mikoal]

well weaker than i previously thought.....
i initially thought that their effect would go thru no matter what....
but i still understand that they are strong monsters

but other than devine wrath, traps like Trap Hole, ring, Compuls, and countless others
can destroy taht monster if they dont utilize their priorities

i mean, once they decide not to use their effects, and the non turn player has a trap that can destroy that mosnter, basically u wont see that monster activating any effects if the non turn player decides to kill it....

and like i said, even if the turn player activates exile's effect, and CED is chained, isnt that a waste of an exile? or just that the non turn player was lukcy enough to have such a trap to protect his monster?

 

[mikoal]

but thanks for all the replies Strike Ninja and everyone else....
i guess its pretty simple to understand, treat the priority of the player using that monster as any other magic or trap card that can be chained to....