More Strike Ninja

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mikoal

Sinister Control
1)

Player A with 2 cards in hand and with blade knight
Player B with a strike ninja attacks blade knight


Player A discards koriboh for no damage

but does that discarding change the atk of blade knight?
and when does this occur? in damage step? battle phase?
and in that case, strike ninja cannot use its effect is that correct?


2)

Player A snatches strike ninja
Player B uses its effect and already has 4 goats on the field


during the end phase

do you get to select which of the 3 mosnters to return, assuming u removed DD scout planes from play??

also if u chose to return strike ninja
what would happen to the DD scout planes??
will they remain out of play?
or will they try to come back and then since there is no slots the get destroyed and sent to graveyard?
 
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1) Blade Knight's life point bonus is a continuous effect and would be adjusted when Kuriboh is discarded. Since Kuriboh is discarded in the Damage Calculation step (before actual damage is inflicted), he would become 2000 and destroy Strike Ninja (who cannot activate his effect in the Damage Step).

2) Strike Ninja's return and D. D. Scout Plane's effects are all manditory. in your example, 1 will return to the field. The rest will try, not have a space and end up being destroyed and sent to the graveyard.
 
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densetsu_x said:
1) Blade Knight's life point bonus is a continuous effect and would be adjusted when Kuriboh is discarded. Since Kuriboh is discarded in the Damage Calculation step (before actual damage is inflicted), he would become 2000 and destroy Strike Ninja (who cannot activate his effect in the Damage Step).

2) Strike Ninja's return and D. D. Scout Plane's effects are all manditory. in your example, 1 will return to the field. The rest will try, not have a space and end up being destroyed and sent to the graveyard.
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First off, Blade Knight is a Continuous effect and WOULD be adjusted when Kuriboh is discarded, true, if he were not already destroyed in battle. For Kuriboh to be discarded, there must be battle damage to block, otherwise you cannot activate his effect and pay cost of discarding him. So on that question, Blade Knight is still destroyed and damage to life points is reduced to 0.
Right on on the second one though. I completely agree. Choose which monster takes the open zone, and when the other monsters resolve, they resolve by realizing they have no monster zone to be placed in and go to the graveyard.
 
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roadhouse007 said:
First off, Blade Knight is a Continuous effect and WOULD be adjusted when Kuriboh is discarded, true, if he were not already destroyed in battle. For Kuriboh to be discarded, there must be battle damage to block, otherwise you cannot activate his effect and pay cost of discarding him. So on that question, Blade Knight is still destroyed and damage to life points is reduced to 0.
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You can discard Kuriboh before the actual "damage" during damage calculation. So densetsu_x hit the mark.
 
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[Re: Theban Nightmare] If you have only "Kuriboh" in your hand, and no Spell or Trap Cards on the field, and your "Theban Nightmare" battles with a card that has higher ATK/DEF, and you discard "Kuriboh", the ATK of "Theban Nightmare" is increased by 1500 AFTER damage calculation (but "Theban Nightmare" is still destroyed by damage calculation unless an effect like "Waboku" had been activated previously during the turn).

This seems to imply that you cannot discard Kuriboh to pump Blade Knight, since you have to wait for actual damage to occur first. I'd say that Blade Knight's boost would happen if he somehow survived the attack, but only then.

-chaosruler
 
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chaosruler said:
[Re: Theban Nightmare] If you have only "Kuriboh" in your hand, and no Spell or Trap Cards on the field, and your "Theban Nightmare" battles with a card that has higher ATK/DEF, and you discard "Kuriboh", the ATK of "Theban Nightmare" is increased by 1500 AFTER damage calculation (but "Theban Nightmare" is still destroyed by damage calculation unless an effect like "Waboku" had been activated previously during the turn).

This seems to imply that you cannot discard Kuriboh to pump Blade Knight, since you have to wait for actual damage to occur first. I'd say that Blade Knight's boost would happen if he somehow survived the attack, but only then.

-chaosruler
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Kuriboh is a multi-trigger effect, how can one chain to damage?
 
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"Kuriboh" is activated during damage calculation. If your opponent attacks with "Injection Fairy Lily" and activates her effect, you can chain "Kuriboh" to reduce the damage to zero.
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That ruling is incorrect.

Infact, that specific window is for ATK/DEF modifier's only (as well as negators). This is where the modifications occur in preparation for part 2.

The timing for Kuriboh should be that same as Sebek's Blessing, Nutrient Z, Attack and Receive etc.

In this case, Blade Knight will not recieve the ATK boost until after Damage Calculation has completed.
 
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so the lily boosting and Kuriboh ruling is incorrect???

but the Kuriboh states that you can discard it during battle phase....
im not too certain as to why Blade Knight's effect does not come into effect until it is destroyed........



also for question 2
it is your option to choose which of the 3 returns is that correct??

some argue that the remaining 2 monsters which you did not choose cant even try to come back, (cant be "activated") because there is no more slots available for them to come back, thus the remain out of play.

for eg: when there is 2 monsters slots filled
activation of Scapegoats is not allowed.......

or

when there is no monsters in your opponent's grave Book of Life cant be activated at all......

what im trying to get at is......
do you even have an option for the monster to come back and be destrpyed to the grave?
 
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The reason Blade Knight is destroyed is because the battle is over once his effect kicks in: Damage calculation has happened and the player controling Blade Knight is about to take LP damage from the battle. At this point, the player can discard Kuriboh to stop the damage to life points, but the battle has already gone on so Blade Knight is dead, and he's not coming back (well, unless the other card in your hand is Premature).
 
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but Kuriboh says
Discard this card from your hand. Make the Battle Damage inflicted to your Life Points by 1 of your opponent's monsters 0. You can only use this effect during your opponent's Battle Phase.

battle phase u can discard, so you can discard prior to damage step, thus boosting blade kngiht and killing Strike Ninja


and yes as for the second question, i know you select which monsters to come back

but why do the other ones go back to graveyard??
 
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mikoal said:
but Kuriboh says
Discard this card from your hand. Make the Battle Damage inflicted to your Life Points by 1 of your opponent's monsters 0. You can only use this effect during your opponent's Battle Phase.

battle phase u can discard, so you can discard prior to damage step, thus boosting blade kngiht and killing Strike Ninja


and yes as for the second question, i know you select which monsters to come back

but why do the other ones go back to graveyard??
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Kuriboh's effect works "prior" to damage by damage calculation. After the damage is calculated, Blade Knight is already considered destroyed by battle, then Kuriboh may be used against the damage that was inflicted.

Simple, you only have 1 vacant zone in this scenario, if you were to choose Strike Ninja to return first, D. D. Scout Plane's have no available spot on the field, but that doesn't doesn't stop it's effect from taking place. In an attempt to reurn to the field will fail, and will be destroyed and sent to the graveyard.
 
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