My Demise nuke deck

drzero7 · Apr 19, 2006

My original idea came from this dude.

http://www.cogonline.net/threads.15999 by Dark Magic User

Anyway, this is my version.

Tribute - 3
Demise, King of Armageddon
Demise, King of Armageddon
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys

Non-Tribute - 17
Apprentice Magician
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Dekoichi the Battlechanted Locomotive
Gravekeeper's Spy
Gravekeeper's Spy
Hand of Nephthys
Magician of Faith
Magician of Faith
Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands
Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands
Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands
Mystic Tomato
Mystic Tomato
Sand Moth
Sand Moth
Sangan
Tsukuyomi

Spells - 14
Book of Moon
Contract with the Abyss
End of the World
Enemy Controller
Graceful Charity
Heavy Storm
Metamorphosis
Mystical Space Typhoon
Nobleman of Crossout
Pot of Avarice
Premature Burial
Scapegoat
Smashing Ground
Snatch Steal

Traps - 6
Call of the Haunted
Mirror Force
Royal Decree
Royal Decree
Spell Shield Type-8
Torrential Tribute

Fusion Deck - 2
Cyber Twin Dragon
Thousand-Eyes Restrict

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I was originally going for the whole. (2x Apprentice, 2x Old Vindictive, 2x MoF) thing, but they make alot of weenie level monsters. And since I'm noticing that I'm more often tributing my SPoN for Demise, I'm pretty much using SPoN as tribute fodder. And we all know SPoN almost never leaves the freaking field except for BTH so it'll stay there until I get Demise out. And after Demise tribute, I can still use CotH/Premature to take out SPoN. (And heck, I don't give a crap if they decide to destroy the CotH/Premature, cause then SPoN will come back anyway) Anyway, originally, not only I was trying to add Apprentice control, but also thought of adding DMoC for another level 8 monster tribute. (Just throw in Magical Dimension) But then, it got way too many random combo to be consistant. And this deck also originally had Treeborn Frog for SPoN tribute and TERing. But the Frog got dumped cause more then likely, I'm setting my Royal Decree to protect my SPoN and Demise from getting BTH. (I mean, I pay 2000LP, all those monster tribute, and a freaking spell card to nuke the field JUST to get BTH and I can't do that 2400direct attack? Definately bad. Sure my Decree will be bombed by SPoN and Demise, but it'll at least make BTH miss it's timing and "safely" get rid of BTH on the foe's field.)

I also thought about instead of Spell Shield Type-8, rather just go for Forbidden. But then I need to add in Magical Blast or something. I'll probably sidedeck Forbidden if I make one. The Spell Sield Type-8 is to negate NoC and Snatch Steal/Brain Control. (ever got your Cyber Twin Dragon stolen? WORST THING EVER! My Cyber Fusion Deck is DEFINATELY packing this now) Not just Cyber Twin Dragon, but your foe stealing your Demise and activating 2000LP to nuke YOUR field is also bad. (Although if they used Snatch Steal, they'll probably need to use Tsukuyomi to keep Demise, or just Brain Control/Enemy Controller or something.) Also NoC will really bother my GK Spy, Deko, MoF and even Sand Moth. This deck have ALOT of face-downs. And I don't want them removed from play cause they're Demise ritual food and also PoA food.

Yeah, I don't have Spirit Reaper, but being level 3 is really hard to get the exact level 8 requirment. (i.e. annoying tribute) I'm just gunna hole my 2x GK Spy and 2x Sand Moth will be enough. And even Sand Moth can be Tsuku flipped face-down for Demise bombing and still stay on the field. (But Tsuku will be bombed so after flipping Sand Moth face-down, I'll tribute Tsuku for Demise.) And probably the only reason why I don't have Twin-Headed Behemoth in here is cause it's another level 3 monster. (Hey, it stays on the field after Demise Bombing. But cause it's level 3, it's probably better with Statue of the Wicked instead of level 4 tokens, they're both 1000ATK after Demise.)

DarkMagicUser · Apr 19, 2006

I like the way this works. And thanks for the credit. Much appreciated.

I have also thought about a Chaos angle for this. Imagine summoning Demise via Manju and Dekochi, Mystic Tomato, etc and then summoning the Sorceror. Should be pretty easy to do, but not sure what I would take out.

Glad you were inspired by the idea...I really like it, because it speaks to TOTAL field control: Nuke, Remove, Nuke. AND a Phoenix to boot.

If only we can get this to work...

drzero7 · Apr 19, 2006

Yeah, I was also thinking of Chaos with this. With MoF and Manju, that's a decent number of Lights. But Demise is good enough monster removal and thus didn't decided to add Chaos and just stick with Pot of Avarice instead. But Chaos Sorcerer probably a nice sidedeck idea.

DarkMagicUser · Apr 19, 2006

Hmm, yeah. I am toying with the thought of sending this idea into Metagame and see if we get any sort of response. It'd be interesting to see what they do with it.

Have you had a chance to test your build yet? I think somehow upping the # of Spell Shield to 2 might help, and I like the use of Statue of the Wicked in here...maybe sidedeck again.

drzero7 · Apr 19, 2006

Hmm, Well, the Wicked Tokens are 1000ATK while Sand Moth is 2000ATK, and I can always use Sand Moth for Demise Tribute when I lack monsters in my hand while for Wicked Tokens, they have to be broken into a token for the Demise Tribute.

Yeah, I should test this deck first and then see if Sand Moth or Wicked Tokens are better for Demise. (Hey, I mean, I might not have a Tsuku to flip Sand Moth Face-down again for Demise bombing)

BTW, how DO you send deck designs to Metagames? I've seen it done... (I read the articles) but just wondering how.

DarkMagicUser · Apr 19, 2006

Not sure. I think they have emails posted. But lets get this decklist finalized, and then I can send it in (with credit to the both of us, of course).

Duelmaster · Apr 19, 2006

drzero7 said:
Hmm, Well, the Wicked Tokens are 1000ATK while Sand Moth is 2000ATK, and I can always use Sand Moth for Demise Tribute when I lack monsters in my hand while for Wicked Tokens, they have to be broken into a token for the Demise Tribute.

Yeah, I should test this deck first and then see if Sand Moth or Wicked Tokens are better for Demise. (Hey, I mean, I might not have a Tsuku to flip Sand Moth Face-down again for Demise bombing)

BTW, how DO you send deck designs to Metagames? I've seen it done... (I read the articles) but just wondering how.

http://www.metagame.com/yugioh.aspx?tabid=33&ArticleId=5382

Do you have an Advanced format deck you could use some help with, or that you just want to show off to the world? Do you want to see it appear in a future Apotheosis article? Send it to me at Jason(at)metagame(dot)com, with your name, location, and explanation of how the deck works"”I might take a crack at it!

drzero7 · Apr 21, 2006

Anyway, an update. In the end, Sand Moth is morely of tribute fodder rather then tryin to get them destroyed by Demise for swarm, (combing that with Tsuku is too much of a hassle) So I decided to dump the idea for now. (Sidedeck?)

Added 1 Chaos and see how that works. I mean, Chaos is 2300ATK that doesn't need to be "comboed" like Sand Moth and still higher ATK then Sand Moth cause it's 2300ATK over 2000ATK. And if I actually have an extra monster card in my hand to summon after I already have Demise and Chaos out... that's pretty much gamebreaking win condition. (I don't think I can add 2x Chaos since I only have 5 lights, heck, I'm risking of using Pot of Avarice with Chaos in it.)

Tribute - 4
Chaos Sorcerer
Demise, King of Armageddon
Demise, King of Armageddon
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys

Non-Tribute - 17
Apprentice Magician
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Dekoichi the Battlechanted Locomotive
Gravekeeper's Spy
Gravekeeper's Spy
Hand of Nephthys
Magician of Faith
Magician of Faith
Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands
Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands
Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands
Mystic Tomato
Mystic Tomato
Nimble Momonga
Nimble Momonga
Nimble Momonga
Sangan

Spells - 13
Book of Moon
Contract with the Abyss
End of the World
Enemy Controller
Graceful Charity
Heavy Storm
Metamorphosis
Mystical Space Typhoon
Nobleman of Crossout
Pot of Avarice
Premature Burial
Smashing Ground
Snatch Steal

Traps - 6
Call of the Haunted
Mirror Force
Royal Decree
Royal Decree
Spell Shield Type-8
Torrential Tribute

Fusion Deck - 2
Cyber Twin Dragon
Thousand-Eyes Restrict

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simple definition

+1 Chaos
+3 Nimbles

-1 Scapegoat
-1 Tsukuyomi
-2 Sand Moth

Nimbles keep field presence and HP gain for Demise cost so even if they're level 2, probably not a bad idea.

DarkMagicUser · Apr 21, 2006

I'm liking this build a lot. Still not sure about Mystic Tomato, but I might test it out. It's too bad I don't have any Gravekeeper's Spies. I have one, and he won't do that great on his own.

I'll be able to playtest this weekend, so I might build this version and see how it works.

drzero7 · Apr 22, 2006

Ya know, with the new ruling for Last Will (read it) Last Will is REALLY good. (Kinda makes sense why it's 1 per deck now)

I might add that 1 Last Will. This way, I don't have to depend on 1 Meta and 1 Chaos for better swarm for Demise OTK. Besides, extra monster cards like Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands all becomes normal vanilla monsters in my deck if I summoned Demise out. Heeck, I might just search a Dekoichi even if I need that extra push for the OTK lifepoint damage.

drzero7 · Apr 22, 2006

I've been thinking of what good monsters is good for Last Will... and these are my thoughts

Spirit Reaper (discard is always good, except for Dark World. And Spirit Reaper is an annoying stall. The only reason why I'm not using this is that it's a level 3. Which means I need a 3+1+4 for a 3+3+2 combination... both annoying to do... stupid End of the World and Contract of the Abyss both requiring exact level for tributing...)

Etoile Cyber (It's either this or the fish. The fist can go upto 1600ATK but this can go 1700ATK... but still crap IMO)

Injection Fairy Lily (Now THIS is more like it. A 3400LP direct damage will HURT. And 2400 + 3400 = 5800LP damage which is actually higher then Demise + Meta combo which is 5600LP. But the only prob is that I have to pay another 2000LP. So for total, I'm paying 4000LP... which is ALOT btw. It's more like Cyber-Stein deck now... and I don't know if I want to do that with Last Will... Blast that this hentai Lily is a level 3. I would have preferred a leve 2 or level 4...)

Meh, maybe I should just stick with regular 1400ATK monster in my deck for Last Will or just dump the whole Last Will idea.

drzero7 · Apr 22, 2006

*Smacks self* There's a much BETTER option then these stuff.

Don Zaloog: Spirit Reaper effect but with 1400LP damage instead. And it's a level 4 so better tribute

Mataza the Zapper: Duh, how can I forget him. He'll do a direct 2600LP damage. Not as high then Injection Fairy Lily, but definately better cause I don't have to pay that 2000LP. But he also suffers being level 3, so he's purely "after Demise Nuke" combo.

Now I need to decide WHICH one is worth it.... more LP damage or card discard effect... hmm...

skey23 · Apr 23, 2006

Two words...Dark World.

If you don't run into them all that much, then there's your answer. If you do, then there's your answer...lol.

drzero7 · Apr 24, 2006

Dark World WON'T fit this deck. Sillva and Goldd both are level 5 (horrible Demise tribute) and need a tribute to summon unless you make a deck for discard. And there's no way I'm discarding in a Demise deck.

Anyway, after much devising, in order to add in Last Will combo in this demise deck, I HAVE to take out SPoN. (There's no room) So either the Last will combo or SPoN combo will go to side deck.

So it's swapping one of these combos.

+1 Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
+1 Apprentice Magician
+1 Hand of Nephthys
+1 Magician of Faith

or the Last Will combo

+1 Don Zaloog
+1 Mataza the Zapper
+1 Last Will
+1 Skelengel (This will replace MoF, it's level 2 so overall better Demise tribute and also less NoC probs)

The SPoN combo will have 21 monsters and Last Will combo will make it 20 Monsters.

1 of these two ideas is gunna end up as sidedeck, I just don't know which. (Probably playtesting will tell)

skey23 · Apr 24, 2006

drzero7 said:
Now I need to decide WHICH one is worth it.... more LP damage or card discard effect... hmm...

skey23 said:
Two words...Dark World.

If you don't run into them all that much, then there's your answer. If you do, then there's your answer...lol.

drzero7 said:
Dark World WON'T fit this deck.

Ok, so where did I ever mention YOU putting Dark World monsters into your deck? I was answering your question about LP damage, or discard effect.

drzero7 · Apr 25, 2006

I test played it and BOTH SPoN and Last Will works great. In fact, the new ruling makes Last Will almost broken. I mean, (Not this deck, but my other deck) I teched in Last Will to see how it is and well, like I special summon Cyber Dragon, attack, hit a Saku, and then at my main phase 2, I activate Last Will, special summon Sangan on my field, then I set Deko and my own Saku.... yeah, that's kinda silly. I also once normal summoned my Treeborn Frog, activated my Torrential, cleared the field, and then activated Last Will, special summon Spirit Reaper and direct attacked for discard. (There was also Sangan on my field so I searched Tomato with that effect)

(EDIT: I meant Last Will, not Heavy Storm)

Tribute - 4
Chaos Sorcerer
Demise, King of Armageddon
Demise, King of Armageddon
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys

Non-Tribute - 18
Apprentice Magician
Breaker the Magical Warrior
D.D. Warrior Lady
Dekoichi the Battlechanted Locomotive
Gravekeeper's Spy
Gravekeeper's Spy
Hand of Nephthys
Magician of Faith
Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands
Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands
Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands
Mataza the Zapper
Mystic Tomato
Mystic Tomato
Nimble Momonga
Nimble Momonga
Nimble Momonga
Sangan

Spells - 13
Book of Moon
Contract of the Abyss
End of the World
Enemy Controller
Graceful Charity
Last Will
Metamorphosis
Mystical Space Typhoon
Nobleman of Crossout
Pot of Avarice
Premature Burial
Smashing Ground
Snatch Steal

Traps - 6
Call of the Haunted
Mirror Force
Royal Decree
Royal Decree
Spell Shield Type-8
Torrential Tribute

Fusion Deck - 2
Cyber Twin Dragon
Thousand-Eyes Restrict

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Instead of Skelengel, I decided for D.D. Warrior Lady. I mean, that's a level 4 so way better Demise tribute. In fact, the only reason why I'm still keeping MoF instead of Skelengel is cause of Apprentice. Without Apprentice, I definately replaced MoF for Skelengel. I rather have bigger hand for more monsters in my hand for Demise tribute then searching for a spell card. (but Apprentice + MoF DOES help sometimes... although most of the time, I pull out Hand with Apprentice)

Also I decided Mataza fits the theme better then Donny. Rather then Discard, this deck is more of OTK and thus I rather direct attack twice with Mataza and do a 2600LP damage.

I know, I tooked out Heavy Storm. But I found this card to be "dead" ALOT of times. I mean, with Demise and SPoN, I don't need Heavy Storm. At least Meta and Last Will is not a dead card once I Demised the field clean. Heavy Storm is a dead card Demised or not. (Cause if I didn't Demise/SPoN yet, I just let them spam their s/t on their field until I Demise the field.) I mean, using Heavy Storm for discard to activate Spell Shield Type-8 to negate my foe's Graceful Charity was NOT my original plan for this deck ya know...

And yeah, so far, it's a 41 "fat" deck. (I HATE decks that go over 40) But, with Nimbles, GK Spy, Apprentice, Tomato, Hand, etc. This deck thins FAST. (And thus it kinda make sense to actually have both Chaos and PoA and doesn't have a prob) And making it 41 helps giving me less chance of having 2 Nimbles in my hand. The only real card I could take out is Enemy Controller.... (I can't even take out Spell Shield Type-8. I set 1 too many monsters. This deck is VERY bad against NoC. I even had a case on my first turn, I normal summoned Nimbles and passed. And then at my foe's first turn, he special summoned Cyber Dragon, hit my Nimbles, my Nimbles searched 2 nimbles in face-down, and then he activated 2 NoC! Yeah, TWO of them to get rid the rest of the nimbles, then he set 1 monster and 1 s/t and passed. Yeah he used alot of card, but he totally wasted my field advantage.)

I gotta admit, this deck is kinda fun. I actually had 1 case of "first turn kill" practically.

(this happened)

I went first, I drew Sangan, End of the World, Metamorphosis, Premature, Tomato, Breaker. I normal summoned Sangan and passed.

My Foe, he special summoned Cyber Dragon, hit my Sangan, and then set MST and Deko (I found this later of course) I searched for Manju with Sangan.

My draw, I drew GK Spy. I normal summoned Manju, searched for Demise. Activated End of the World, tribute Manju and Tomato. pay 2000LP to nuke the field. Then Meta my Demise into Cyber Twin Dragon. Then activated Premature to pull out Demise from my graveyard.... it was 2800+2800+2400= 8000LP GAME!

Hell'sFancyKiller · Apr 25, 2006

How come your not using any Dark Coffin?

Dark Coffin
Trap Card/Normal
Effect:When this face down card is destroyed your opponent selects and activates one of the following effects

Destroy one card on his side of the field
Send a random card from his hand to the graveyard

It could give you an even bigger advantage than just Armageddon, also you might want to run some Statue of the Wicked.

drzero7 · Apr 26, 2006

I tested both, and both are not "worth it". I have to break Wicked to get the tokens. Seriously, this is more solid. Those tokens are only 1000ATK, while Mataza have a potential of 2600LP damage and Chaos is 2300LP. And Cyber Twin Dragon is 5600LP. The only real way to break it for Wicked tokens is SPoN and Demise. And thus I can't use the tokens for tributing for Demise... pointless.

And About Dark Coffin. Demise destroys EVERYTHING. So if I'm correct, he can "choose" to destroy a card on his field... but he doesn't have one and thus pointless activation. Even if that's not legal, still don't help too much. Rather then Dark Coffin, I rather add Don Zaloog to go for 1400LP and a discard. (But in the end, I opted for Mataza for more LP damage.)

drzero7 · May 10, 2006

drzero7 · May 11, 2006

More editing and I'm planning to add Hydrogeddon

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