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Melchiah76

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hi again, ppl. something quick.

i know that vampire lord, if it's destroyed by a card effect, it comes back to the field. but i was wondering (and i think i saw this on another thread) that if he's destroyed when atempting to come back from the graveyard (his first effect) with divine wrath's effect, his effect is negated and he wont come back to the field on the next standby phase?

if yes is the case, the i'm assuming that if destroyed by divine wrath's effect, those effects r negated for good, even though going to the graveyard "resets" the effects?.....
 
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Its effect got negated so that means next come around it didnt have the effect to begin with.

going to the graveyard doesnt reset anything.

heck its in the graveyard when it gets its effect negated.
 
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alright, if you divine wrath Vampire Lord's return, then he will not return. This for BASICALLY the same reason that if you destroy a Dark Necrofear twice as a spell card in one turn, Dark Necrofear cannot possess again that time. Vampire Lord has already tried to return once that turn so he cannot try to do it again (by being negated and destroyed, well not really, by divine wrath). If this did no thappen, you could have an infinite loop with Vampire Lord + opponent's Royal Oppression + 2 Life Absorbing Machines, etc., also, Vampire Lord cannot (i think i'm right on this) come back if he is trying to resurrect and is stopped by royal oppression

-chaosruler
 
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chaosruler said:
alright, if you divine wrath Vampire Lord's return, then he will not return. This for BASICALLY the same reason that if you destroy a Dark Necrofear twice as a spell card in one turn, Dark Necrofear cannot possess again that time.
-chaosruler
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That has nothing to do with the situation.

Vampire Lord must be destroyed and "Sent to" the Graveyard to get its effect.

If divine Wrath negates its effect (of reborning) Vampire Lord never leaves the graveyard, and thus it can not be sent to the graveyard if its already in there)
 
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i was just trying to give an analogy to multiple "resurrections" during one turn. I think I did eventually answer the question, but in a roundabout manner.

-sorry
-chaosruler
 
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krazykidpsx said:
going to the graveyard doesnt reset anything.
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i was saying that because IF you kill something, like grat dezard, having achieved his first effect, and bring it back with monster reborn, coth, etc. his effect would be reset, needing to kill another monster to get again his first effect...i know that he his in the graveyard when he,s negated, but waht about solemn/horn...he comes back and he never got the chance of beign summon in the first place...that's why i put that specific line. the only thing i wanna know is that if divine wrath negating effects effect is in general, an effect similar to ha des.
 
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if it uses the chain as an ignition effect, than you can use divine wrath on it, and negate the effect, also, worth noting, the monster does not have to be destroyed BY divine wrath to negate the effect(s).

i hope that helps

-chaosruler
 
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chaosruler said:
Vampire Lord cannot (i think i'm right on this) come back if he is trying to resurrect and is stopped by royal oppression

-chaosruler
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it does, well, in the official page says so. that if my oponent has a royal opression, it would comeback next standby...
 
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mmm...ok..let me put it in another way.

1.- does "divine wrath" negating effect's effect is similar to ha des?

i guess that this is the escence of the question. in the other hand, if yes is the answer.

1a.- if i revive a monster, his effect wouldn't return, because "divine wrath" effect of negating that monster effect is on that monster?.

maybe im confusing myslef more, but it is something that i really need to know....could you bear with me the torment of ignorance in this case??

(geez, im maybe on my way to a drama play soon!!! JK!)
 
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Melchiah76 said:
mmm...ok..let me put it in another way.

1.- does "divine wrath" negating effect's effect is similar to ha des?
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The question has been asked to the judges board, but has not received an answer yet, however divine wrath says "effect" while Hades refers to "effects" so i 'm inclined to believe that Devine Wrath is a one time only deal.

1a.- if i revive a monster, his effect wouldn't return, because "divine wrath" effect of negating that monster effect is on that monster?.
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If a monster is Reborned after being destroyed by Dark Ruler Ha Des, it is separated from the effect/condition placed on it by Dark Ruler Ha Des.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
The question has been asked to the judges board, but has not received an answer yet, however divine wrath says "effect" while Hades refers to "effects" so i 'm inclined to believe that Devine Wrath is a one time only deal.



If a monster is Reborned after being destroyed by Dark Ruler Ha Des, it is separated from the effect/condition placed on it by Dark Ruler Ha Des.
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MUCHISIMAS GRACIAS!!!!!!!! thank you vey much....that was the only thing i need it to know........keep up the GREAT work u do, guys....i, for one, will be forever gratefull!!!!
 
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chaosruler said:
if it uses the chain as an ignition effect, than you can use divine wrath on it, and negate the effect, also, worth noting, the monster does not have to be destroyed BY divine wrath to negate the effect(s).

i hope that helps

-chaosruler
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Dude. It's triggered, not ignition.
 
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