Nephthys Card Rulings.

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Blaze

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This is my first time here and I hope I can get some card answers cleared up because there are a few things bugging me. This one is all about Nephthys.
Please note: That I have searched but it didn't answer a few things.

Hand of Nephthys;
According to the public specific card rulings of UpperdeckEntertainment.com [ Link Provided for quick look: http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/en/faq_card_rulings.aspx?first=F&last=H ]

It states; "Tribute 2 monsters on your side of the field, including this card" means that you Tribute "Hand of Nephthys" plus 1 additional monster."

Apparently, I came across a quarrel with a few low level judges in a duel, (yes I dueled them); I had 1 monster out on the field and summoned Hand of Nephthys on the turn I was allowed to summon. I used it's effect to tribute the card and the other face up to special summon the Sacred Phoenix. These people claimed that I needed to tribute 2 monsters AND the Hand of Nephthys in order to successfully pull it off; because of this comma rule they follow. Where " , " means "and", but according to the official rulings on the website, it's meant different.

Conclusion, we had to end up flipping a coin to see whether I had to follow "the official rules" they were taught with or the "official rules" on the website. I won and continued but they claimed it was a false game. So now not only does my head hurt but I am desperately seeking for an answer here. Please help me out.

Secondly, Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys;
Is Tribute different from Destroyed? I would think I'd destroy the monster to bring out another in it's place, a sacrificial thing. Can Horn of Heaven activate Phoenix's effect and have it returned since it was by card effect and such?

Thanks in advance.

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b) Tribute Summon - When summoning a Monster level 5 or Higher, you must destroy 1 or more (specified) monster cards already on the field to Set the Tribute Monster. When you are summoning a monster level 5 or 6, you must destroy 1 monster. If you are summoning a monster level 7 or higher, you must destroy 2. A Tribute Summon is considered a Normal Summon.

I found this, I believe it's in the manual as well and such. But I ask to just verify to see if this is true.Ya'never know, right?
 
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You only tribute 1 monster, and in addition Hand of Nephthys to special summon Pheonix of Nephthys from your hand/deck.

The ruling defines what the effect means.

"Tribute 2 monsters on your side of the field, including this card" ||means|| that you Tribute "Hand of Nephthys" plus 1 additional monster.
 
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To answer your second question.

No, the effect where Pheonix of Nephthys where it triggers during the standby phase is only effect activation.

Even when Pheonix of Nephthys special summons itself to the field, you cannot activate Horn of Heaven in response because an effect is resolving.
 
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Well, tributing monsters for tribute summons, maintence costs, effect costs, etc. are not considered destroyed, there are simply tributed and are destroyed by "game mechanic", not in the same manner as spell, trap, monster effects, and monster attacks.
 
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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
To answer your second question.

No, the effect where Pheonix of Nephthys where it triggers during the standby phase is only effect activation.

Even when Pheonix of Nephthys special summons itself to the field, you cannot activate Horn of Heaven in response because an effect is resolving.
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Well, what I meant to ask was; if I used Horn of Heaven to stop a summoning and I select Phoenix as my tribute, it wouldn't the card be considered "Destroyed" because it was wiped off the field to work it? If so, it should activate the effect and bring it back on the next turn, right?

Secondly, from what I read; you can chain Horn of Heaven to Phoenix upon it's returning special summon. However, since it's destroyed by the card effect, it will return once again during the owner's next StandBy Phase. Stated in the FAQ on the website; under S section of the Specific Card Rulings.

Edit: I usually type in this towards the end of the post if I am adding something to my main post. However, I don't type in this extra note if I am fixing typos and such.
 
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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
Edit?

Well, tributing monsters for tribute summons, maintence costs, effect costs, etc. are not considered destroyed, there are simply tributed and are destroyed by "game mechanic", not in the same manner as spell, trap, monster effects, and monster attacks.
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If it's destroyed by "game mechanic", wouldn't it be considered destroyed then? Unless Tribute is a word all on it's own with it's own meaning. Which I think Konami should suffice on adding to the Rule Book because this seems confusing. lol
 
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Blaze said:
Well, what I meant to ask was; if I used Horn of Heaven to stop a summoning and I select Phoenix as my tribute, it wouldn't the card be considered "Destroyed" because it was wiped off the field to work it? If so, it should activate the effect and bring it back on the next turn, right?

Secondly, from what I read; you can chain Horn of Heaven to Phoenix upon it's returning special summon. However, since it's destroyed by the card effect, it will return once again during the owner's next StandBy Phase. Stated in the FAQ on the website; under S section of the Specific Card Rulings.

Edit: I usually type in this towards the end of the post if I am adding something to my main post. However, I don't type in this extra note if I am fixing typos and such.
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If Horn of Heaven negates the summon, the monster "never" makes it to the "field". However it's destroyed and will Special Summon during the following standby phase.

If you read carefully, I didn't state Horn of Heaven vs Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys when it is tribute summoned. I stated "Horn of Heaven vs Special Summon of the Phoenix".

And if you read ruling number 5, my reply has nothing to do with what I have previously posted.

Plus, Horn of Heaven cannot be activated in response to Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys Special Summoning itself to the field because an effect is resolving.
 
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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
If Horn of Heaven negates the summon, the monster "never" makes it to the "field". However it's destroyed and will Special Summon during the following standby phase.

If you read carefully, I didn't state Horn of Heaven vs Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys when it is tribute summoned. I stated "Horn of Heaven vs Special Summon of the Phoenix".

And if you read ruling number 5, my reply has nothing to do with what I have previously posted.

Plus, Horn of Heaven cannot be activated in response to Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys Special Summoning itself to the field because an effect is resolving.
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Right but my question is yet to be answered then, if you tribute off Phoenix from the effect of Horn of Heaven in order to stop a summoning of another monster in general, does it come back?
 
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LoL, I'm sorry I can't tell what is being asked here.

Do you mean when you tribute the Hand of Nephthys, plus a monster, to Special Summon Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys from your deck/hand?

Then no, Horn of Heaven cannot negate the Special Summon because an effect is resolving.
 
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OoOoH. I finally got it. :D Sorry, if it took me awhile.

No, if you Tribute Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys as a cost to activate Horn of Heaven, then No, Sacrded Phoenix of Nephthys will not be Special Summoned because it is never destroyed, it was tributed, and destroyed by game mechanic.
 
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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
LoL, I'm sorry I can't tell what is being asked here.

Do you mean when you tribute the Hand of Nephthys, plus a monster, to Special Summon Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys from your deck/hand?

Then no, Horn of Heaven cannot negate the Special Summon because an effect is resolving.
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Lol! No man, you were reading it all wrong. It's all good, it's prolly my fault for that. Ok, here's the play by play.

I have Phoenix on my side of the field with Horn of Heaven set from a while back. Then my opponent decides to summon Jinzo. (Cheap Card of DOOMZ! )
Anywho, so I activiate Horn of Heaven to Negate and destroy Jinzo. But in order to make this card work, I have to Tribute a monster on the field. So I select Phoenix being that she is my only monster card out there.

Since Phoenix is Tributed by the effects of Horn of Heaven in order to stop Jinzo; does Phoenix come back?

Get me so far?
 
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I have just answered the question before your previous post.

LoL, my bad for the horrible interpretation of what was being asked here, I can be slow at times.

Are you new to these forums. Let me the first to welcome you to the Netrep forums. So kick back, relax, haha and enjoy your stay here. :)
 
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ACK! Sorry about that, I didn't read it that carefully. Its 4:20 am here. I got class in 3 hours, and this thing has kept me awake. Lol ^-^; Brain half asleep and now Ima bout to go shut off the other side. So thanks anywho! Stupid gameplay mechanics of doom. I think Konami so publish a YuGiOh dictionary just to describe in detail what the phlook everything means, set with examples with various of cards for multiple situations. -.-; Agreed?
 
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Blaze said:
ACK! Sorry about that, I didn't read it that carefully. Its 4:20 am here. I got class in 3 hours, and this thing has kept me awake. Lol ^-^; Brain half asleep and now Ima bout to go shut off the other side. So thanks anywho! Stupid gameplay mechanics of doom. I think Konami so publish a YuGiOh dictionary just to describe in detail what the phlook everything means, set with examples with various of cards for multiple situations. -.-; Agreed?
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LoL. I most definitely agree.

4:20 a.m. you say? Are you in Florida? it's 4:26 a.m. and I'm bout ready to go to work. LoL :)
 
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Destroy and Tribute arnt the same thing.

here is the best way to describe destroyed and tribute.

Lets say you manually send the card to the graveyard.

Ei: witch or Sangan, you get their effects because they just have to be sent to the graveyard, so lets say that you use Cannon Soldier to lounch Witch of the Black Forest, your opponent takes 500lp and since witch got sent to the graveyard then you can search your deck for a card.

that is tribute, because Cannon Soldier asks for a tribute.

Destroying.

Raigeki destroyes.
Smashing Grounds destroys.
If it either says Destroy or the Monster got into a battle and lost, then it is destroyed.



now to show how Hand of Nephthys works and why everybody is confused. Yes including my self the first time i saw it i didnt understand it but came to realize how the card works.

Usually when something tells you Tribute 2 monsters Ei: Hysteric Fairy, you can tribute any 2 monsters and get the effect. For Hand of Nephthys it is telling you, you must tribute 2 monsters and 1 of them has to be me.

so preaty much you are tributing 2 monsters since Hand of Nephthys is considered a monster so thats monster 1. now go around and find a Scapegoat token or some other monster and tribute it with the Hand, so now you fullfilled your 2 monster requirement. thats requirement 1. 2 monster, requirement number 2 is that Hand of Nephthys has to go aswell. okay lets check if you tributes Hand of Nephthys and you did. so preaty much now you get the effect to summon the sacred chicken of burnage.

thats how it works, im a Low level judge my self, and yes in the first look its confusing but once you sit down and analyze the card you noticed its not so dumb after all.
 
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ah see thats another confusion waiting to happen, notice the Fusion Sealed - Dark Hex or light or earth.

they all state the same thing, but if you notice the first effect goes into conjuction with the second effect that acts similar to a Polymerization.

ive had people be like, NO you have to tribute 2 monster and then you can special summon any dark fusion.

NO that is not the case. its you us it as a subtitute insta polymer to summon a Fusion summon monster with the specified parts since 1 of the parts will be a substititute.

say you want Dark Flare Knight then the Dark hex will be the substitute of Flame Swordsman and the other piece would be Dark Magician.

yes its alot easier to pull than multi fusion summon but people still dont get it.
 
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