Non-Player Management

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DarkLogicianOfCaos

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I had an incident come up Yesterday at my local shop where I TO. During my tournament a YGO player, who was not in the tournament (came too late and didn't want the loss) got into an argument with the store employee. As they faced off and the (non) player was getting louder and more beligerant, even to the point of stopping everything in the shop (fortunately I was just about to announce parings for the next round, so play did not stop). He got seriously in the face of the older and smaller employee, who stood his ground, asked him to leave and kept his voice firm, but just below yelling. I stood close in case things got physical, but let the employee handle it until the (non) player got really loud and about two inches from the employees face, at which point I calmly, said, "Okay guys, lets calm it down. This is getting out of hand." At which point, the (non) player turned on me. He finally ran out of steem and stormed off, but he wouldn't leave. The store owner was called in and both of them had their say privately (I kept the tournament going).

Here is my question. If a YuGiOh! player, who plays at our regionals, sneak Previews, is ranked, etc. shows this kind of Unsportsmanlike Conduct, but is not in the actual tournament that is being held, is he held accountable to UDE or not? The store will do whatever it wants, but as a representative (to the small degree that I am), does this get reported, or since he wasn't in the tournament at the time, does it end there?

BTW, I have no animocity toward the guy. I like him and hope to some time get to talk to him again, but he did upset the players quite a bit.
 
If I'm understanding this correctly, the (non) player wasn't registereed for the tournament yet correct?

If this is the case then I'd send in a report to judge@ude.com explaining the scenario and the people involved. You've done your part then to alert UDE as to any action they may or may not wish to take against that player or if they wish to investigate further.

After that I'd let the store owner mandate how he wishes to handle this paticular individual at that given store. The store owner is of course, well within their right to ban the player from his store.

Since this person wasn't "officially" in the tournament you were the T.O. at, this way you've covered the bases, did your job as a T.O. and to the community, and let the store owner make the decision as to what happens outside of the tournament you were T.O. for.
 
I really don't know how things could have gotten so out of hand. I mean, I have come "just" as the last sign-up is paid a few times, which inside I'm boiling, but not at the store, but at myself for not getting there in time.

I know I could just talk to the owner and I'd get in because I am a regular, but I'd rather not provide a situation where someone else may not have the "pull" to have room made for them. It's not worth the possible headache.
 
John-- Yes, he was not in the tournament.

Woo0-- He wasn't mad about that, in fact, I had two others come late and register, taking the match loss; he didn't want to. No the argument was about the way the employee told him to get the _____ out of his chair (the table was clearly marked "Employees Only". The (non) player didn't like the attitude and things went down hill from there.

I will get a full statement fromt he employee, but may have a difficult time getting one from the (non) player. Witnesses are aplenty. Thanks.
 
Well, I knew there had to be more, but from the info given, it just seemed like a situation where it was entirely game related.
 
Yeah, I wish it were, it would be a lot simpler. I can handle the YGO discipline. It's the non-players that pay to be back there, but aren't a part of the tournament that make it.... different. It is kind of awkward sometimes, since it is their store, but my tournament. I mean, we all get along great (the owner is fantastic), but I know I'm kind of a guest there. Still, I love it! Espscially the kids!
 
I guess I misunderstood the situation. I was under the impression the person had an issue with being late and not allowed into the first round. If the issue was completely with the employee and the store....then let the store handle it.
 
Hmm, my appologies. I put it in parenthesis to show aside. Guess I muddled it rather, trying to get all the info together in one breath. Yeah, the question was just:

"If someone was not in the tournament, but known as a YuGiOh! player (who had originally come to the store to play, but didn't) later demonstrates that kind of Unsportsmanlike Conduct, during a tournament in which he has not entered, are we, as Tournament Organizers/Head Judges supposed to do anything about it with regards to letting UDE know about it."

Answer: "No, since it didn't involve the tournament itself (just disrupted it), it is the Store's problem."

Thank you. I guess my question stemmed a little from the recent issue with the baseball player making personal remarks apart from the game that got him suspended. Thanks again and sorry about the confusion.
 
Yeah, I've known many instances where kids come into stores for other things even when they are Yugioh Players, and cause problems with language, etc... and the Store Owner usually handles that, as it is his premises, and his problem, as Patrons are not your responsibility until they are "officially" part of the event you are presiding over.

Relating the situation to present day issues is really a different animal altogether, as a Baseball Player has a responsibility to his Ball Club, as specified in their individual contract, and usually includes "conduct in public" clauses, as well as things they are allowed to do in their personal recreation time. So, these guys are "paid" to be good ballplayers and represent their club as a model citizen.

Yugioh Players are nothing more than your everyday people who play a game as a hobby. They are not tied (liability wise) to UDE if they go out and set off fireworks in a Hotel hosting a Shonen Jump Event.... BUT, since the Player responsible for doing such a stupid thing was only there as a result OF the event itself, it does make UDE look rather bad to have someone like that associated with the game.
 
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