Official 3/1/2007 TCG banlists are up (2.20 @1:15pm)

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Hmmm- looks like running 3x mask of restrict is going to be popular, especially with no real way to get rid of lots of s/t. Thinking about it, perhaps we will start seeing more decks running multiple continuous spell/trap cards, as chainability probably isnt going to be as important anymore.
 
drzero7 said:
Wait, I don't see Magical Stone Excavation... Did they forget? Meh, I guess a couple OTK decks can use 2x of that I guess.
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I was about to ask that myself, and as a matter of fact, I already asked about this on the Judge List about a week and a half ago. Guess it is a oversight.
 
Mask of Restrict IMO isn't the solution of Exiled Force. (Well, it COULD) You just run alot of floater monsters (e.g. Gadgets, Sangan, Treeborn Frog, E-Hero Stratos, etc.) or Sandmoth tech.

And since Breaker is banned, I think we'll start seeing 2x Chiron in Gadget decks. (Along with already staple 2x Snipe Hunter in gadget decks already)
 
Another card I'm spotting to bounce back into decks is Spell Shield Type-8. It wasn't a popular card in the previous format due to the lack of targetting spells, but now with 3 Enemy Controller, 3 Shrinks and a Snatch Steal, I'm seeing this card as more playable than ever.
 
Ojimaru said:
Another card I'm spotting to bounce back into decks is Spell Shield Type-8. It wasn't a popular card in the previous format due to the lack of targetting spells, but now with 3 Enemy Controller, 3 Shrinks and a Snatch Steal, I'm seeing this card as more playable than ever.
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Finally someone recognizes the power of the "Shield"....
 
Or run Cyber Phoenix. They'll HATE that monster even more now.

The funny thing is though, while you have a Cyber Phoenix on the field, you cannot use Snatch Steal and target a machine monster on the foe's field (e.g. Cyber Dragon/Jinzo) cause that'll create an infinite loop.
 
drzero7 said:
Or run Cyber Phoenix. They'll HATE that monster even more now.

The funny thing is though, while you have a Cyber Phoenix on the field, you cannot use Snatch Steal and target a machine monster on the foe's field (e.g. Cyber Dragon/Jinzo) cause that'll create an infinite loop.
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huh?
didnt we have a similar conversation reguarding enemy controller & cyber phoenix? - i thought that cyber phoenix could only negate @ activation, a spell / trap that targets machine under your control / side of ield...so wouldnt opponents machine stay on your side? or is this different because its an equip rather than a quickplay? works with premature - but its activated on your side & your monster.... hmmmm...prevents secondary efffect to send to graveyard when premature is destroyed...does snatch have a similar effect keeping opponents monster on your side? and game mech return monster when snatch is destroyed?or dos snatch's effect return monster?
seems like IF your cyber phoenix does negate your snatch - that monster would just go back and leave snatch meaninglessly in your s/t zone...i'd like to hear more how & why tho'...
 
Read Snatch Steal vs Cyber Phoenix. Snatch Steal is SLIGHTLY different then Brain Control/Enemy Controller cause of, yes, since it's an Equip Spell Card.

What happens when Cyber Phoenix is on your field, and you use Snatch Steal to take your foe's Cyber Dragon.

#1: Snatch Steal effect kicks in, and Cyber Dragon goes to your side of the field.
#2: Cyber Phoenix effect kicks in, negates Snatch Steal since it's targetting a Machine monster (i.e. Cyber Dragon) and goes back to foe's side of the field.
#3: Now it's back to foe's field, and now Cyber Phoenix effect is no longer in effect, (Because since the Cyber Dragon is back to the foe's field, Snatch Steal isn't targeting any machine monster on your side of the field) so Snatch Steal effect kicks in, and bring back Cyber Dragon back to your field...
#4: Again, now Cyber Phoenix effect kicks in and... you get the picture.

So, it's an endless loop.. So this is ruled as illegal play, and the player who activated Snatch Steal have to take it back.

Yes, Snatch Steal is different then Enemy Controller/Creature Swap/Brain Control/etc. cause it's an Equip Spell card and Cyber Phoenix will negate all Equip spell card effects equipped to machines.

The thing about Enemy Controller and Brain Control, once you activate it, it's DONE. The "on your side of the field till end phase" is the lingering effect of the resolution/effect of Enemy Controller and Brain Control. So by the time a Machine monster is stolen by Enemy Controller/Brain Control, it's already not being targetted by anything and thus Cyber Phoenix have no effect.

Premature Burial/CotH is slightly different too. When you activate it, it's targetting a monster in the graveyard (even if it's a machine) Cyber Phoenix negation effect is a FIELD EFFECT. And thus CotH/Preme resolves. Now, when it brings a machine monster on the field with Preme/CotH, now Cyber Phoenix effect kicks in cause it's targetting a machine monster. So the 2nd effect of being destroyed when Preme/CotH is destroyed/removed is negated. (This also works when you target Cyber Phoenix in grave with Preme/CotH as well)

I hope this helps.
 
could not find cyber phoenix vs snatch on net rep - but tried to use heavy mech support on netrep (treated as an equip spell) as a reference - guess the snatch is on ude web site... and with a mac i cant acess anything there.... sigh...some upgrade last fall-it slammed the door in my face....
thanks a bunch :D
 
I think if you directly ask UDE the question, you'll get the answer I posted. Anyway, it says on Snatch Steal ruling that you cannot play Snatch Steal that'll cause an infinite loop. (On Jinzo+Amplify+Imperial Order example)
 
I think the Jinzo portion is confusing you drzero7. Santch Steal will remain equipped to that monster, but negated until Cyber Phoenix goes away. Cyber Phoenix negates the Spell card's effects (that target 1 Machine....). It is continuous, so there is no triggering of Snatch's effect to bring it over, then triggering of Cyber's effect, sending it back....Snatch is negated for as long as it is 1) targetting a Machine, or 2) Cyber Phoenix is on the field.
 
Cyber Phoenix said:
While this card is in face-up Attack Position on your side of the field, negate the effects of any Spell or Trap Card that targets 1 Machine-Type monster on your side of the field.
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drzero7 is right. Snatch Steal would be negated by Cyber Phoenix and CyDra would return to the opp's side. Then Snatch is not negated anymore, etc. - infinite loop.
 
Oh, ho, ho! I'm so sorry.....I did not read the post correctly! I though he was saying that Cyber Phoenix was on his opponent's side and missed that it was on the activator of Snatch's side of the field. You are very correct, drzero! Please accept my humblest of appologies!

Anyone for egg?
 
That stinks they got rid of breaker.But now with exiled in threes watch the rise of vampire lord and phoenix
 
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