Ojama Trio issue.

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skey23

Council of Heroes
Ok, so this stoopid card is probably about to become a new 'staple' in everybody's decks. It's picking up in play here like crazy...lol.

Anyway, here's my issue.

I'm running a Dark World deck.
My opponent is running the "Ojama Trio" lock down.
I currently have only 2 "Ojama Token"s on my side of the field.
He has a set "Ojama Trio", ready to complete the field lock.
I draw my card.
He activates his "Ojama Trio".
I chain the card I drew! "Gateway to Dark World"!
Neither of us respond.
I special summon my Dark World Monster.
Now, does "Ojama Trio" fill up my remaining 2 spots? Or does it's effect Disappear since I don't have EXACTLY 3 spots available? The text on "Ojama Trio" does not say 'up to'.


Thanks.
 
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Not to throw a monkey-wrench in the works here, but where exactly does it say that "Scapegoat" and "Ojama Trio" have to have the conditions correct at activation AND resolution? Is there something on the judges list, because all the rulings for those cards say is that you can't ACTIVATE them unless there are available monster card zones. Their rulings don't say anything about what happens when a card is chained to one of them changing the available monster card zones in play...
 
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Kyhotae said:
Not to throw a monkey-wrench in the works here, but where exactly does it say that "Scapegoat" and "Ojama Trio" have to have the conditions correct at activation AND resolution? Is there something on the judges list, because all the rulings for those cards say is that you can't ACTIVATE them unless there are available monster card zones. Their rulings don't say anything about what happens when a card is chained to one of them changing the available monster card zones in play...
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Like said before, they must special summon EXACTLY 3 or 4 monster tokens (depends on the card). It doesn't say "up to 3" or "up to 4".
 
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So you don't have any documentation to back up you assertion? That's what I thought. I don't remember reading anything about whether or not those cards will or won't Special Summon to fill up remaining zones, so until I see some documentation, I'm not going to believe one way or the other.

I'll just say that someone needs to ask UDE/Konami...
 
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Kyhotae now i want konami to give answers on a lot of things but in this case it isnt needed. In most cases when you have asked recently it hasnt been needed really but how and ever.

If it gives an exact number then that must be the number used both at activation and resolution otherwise you lose the effect aka it Disappears.

Only when it says "up to" a given number can it still resolve in some way shape or form.
 
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This is basic knowledge. You must be able to fulfill the requirement at activation to even flip the card face-up. There must be 3 zones available to fill in order to "Summon 3 Ojama Tokens" at resolution as well.

That's why effects like Dimension Fusion and Return from the Different Dimension say "up to" or "as many as possible" because you may not be able to summon anything or only a few.

Ojama Trio and Scapegoat are all or nothing when it comes to summoning.
 
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The fact is you can't get a ruling on everything. The Judges List seldom gives rulings on common sense plays. Fact is, this is interpretation of effect resolution rules and rulings, and as such, this is the way this has been played and ruled on for years. It would make little sense, even for UDE/Konmi, to not have mentioned this as an exception to the resolution rules.
 
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That's not true, DJ. I've seen some really stupid, common sense things posted to the judges list. And I'm not saying that I disagree with you. However, there's nowhere that says it doesn't fill up the remaining zones and no one here has cited any proof but how they interpret the effect.
 
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Ok i dont like using games to prove my theories cos i dont think that anything in them can conclusively prove anything as glitches can and will occur to prove and disprove anything but just for ****s and giggles why not try this kyhotae. Go into WC2006 and try it in there.
 
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Kyhotae said:
That's not true, DJ. I've seen some really stupid, common sense things posted to the judges list. And I'm not saying that I disagree with you. However, there's nowhere that says it doesn't fill up the remaining zones and no one here has cited any proof but how they interpret the effect.
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There isnt any need to provide proof. It's a basic concept. If there isnt room to summon "a" monster, it can't be summoned. Just because you are summoning 3 Tokens, they arent 3 separate summons. They are summoned as a group.

Draw 3 cards (Graceful Charity). Did each card get drawn as a separate card, or is it considered "one instance" of a draw? Solemn Wishes counts it as one draw, so you only gain 500.

Why hasnt anyone argued that it's still three cards and you still drew each one? Because the card effect tells you to draw 3 cards with the effect of Graceful Charity and 2 for Pot of Greed.

Ojama Trio is "one instance" of summoning 3 monsters. If you cannot summon them together, the whole effect fails.

I will agree with one thing however.... There are some really dumb question's that get answered on the Judge's List, and some really "good" ones that get relatively sarcastic responses.
 
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