Ojama Trio / Morphing Jar #2 ?

[SoilentG]

I'm pretty sure this won't work but I figured I should ask you experts just in case... if it did work it would be a good anti-burn combo... so here goes:

My Main Phase I have a set Ojama Trio and Morphing Jar #2 from the previous turn.

1) I activate Ojama Trio putting three Ojama tokens on their side of the field.

2) I Flip Summon Morphing Jar #2 and his FLIP effect activates.

3) Questionable: opponent with burn deck burns through their deck looking for three monsters. I win.

Unfortunately, his text reads:

Morphing Jar #2
Effect Monster (Rock / EARTH / 3 Stars / ATK 800 / DEF 700)

FLIP: Return all Monster Cards on the field to their respective Decks and shuffle them. You and your opponent then pick up cards until you both have the same number of Monster Cards that were returned to each Deck. Special Summon the Level 4 or lower monsters to the field in face-down Defense Position. The rest of the cards picked up are discarded to the Graveyard.

and since the Ojama tokens don't get returned to the opponent's deck the opponent doesn't have to pick up any cards

Am I right in thinking this won't work? I really wish I were wrong in this case.

 

[densetsu_x]

Correct. No monsters are shuffled in so no cards are picked up.

 

[HorusMaster]

Correct. No monsters are shuffled in so no cards are picked up.

One more point- the tokens remain on your opponent's side of the field as they are not monsters.

 

[densetsu_x]

Um, no they don't. They are removed from the field.

 

[Chillout1984]

One more point- the tokens remain on your opponent's side of the field as they are not monsters.

Tokens ARE considered monsters, so they will be removed from the field.

 

[Maruno]

Indeed. Tokens are, for every intent and purpose, Normal Monster Cards. Always. No exceptions whatsoever.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Which is why certain effects that affect Normal Monster Cards, have to explicitly exclude tokens in their effect text. Otherwise they'd affect them, too.

 

[krishna]

so in this sense the effect of morphing jar doesn't "remember" that it effected the 3 ojama trio tokens, and force you to summon monsters?

I want to know because I wanted to use the effect to help me special summon monsters to my field. Lock up my opponent's field with ojama trio tokens, then flip MJ2 to special summon 5 new monsters to my field. The video game works this way, so sadly the game is wrong again if this doesn't work. Interesting though.

 

[Digital Jedi]

It remembers how many monsters it returned to the Deck. "You and your opponent then pick up cards until you both have the same number of Monster Cards that were returned to each Deck." Since the tokens didn't go to the Deck, there's nothing to remember.