Ordeal of a Traveler
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I'm inclined to say non-targeting, because it is a continuous effect.
Sakuretsu Armor is targeting because it affects the monster while Widespread Ruin does not (necessarily). But because Ordeal of a Traveler is continuous, I am fairly certain that it doesn't target because it isn't activated (turned face-up) when the attack is declared. I'll see if I can dig up more, though.
Sakuretsu Armor is targeting because it affects the monster while Widespread Ruin does not (necessarily). But because Ordeal of a Traveler is continuous, I am fairly certain that it doesn't target because it isn't activated (turned face-up) when the attack is declared. I'll see if I can dig up more, though.
Ok, I was thinking the same thing, because it's continuous; however, the card text is waaaay to similar to 'Sakaretsu Armor' in the fact that it 'designates' ( I won't use the word targets) the attacking monster and returns it to the Owner's hand, instead of destroying it.
Darn those Continuous Traps vs Continuous Effects...Dlanaan said:Was meaning it was coming from a continuous trap. But now I am kicking myself because I remember that continuous traps can target (Call of the Haunted, Nightmare Wheel, etc.) Ah, well.
I was surprised to realize that was infact optional...i had just assumed that it was a mandatory trigger....until i read the text again and checked the rulings.
chaosruler
New Member
yeah, RONIN has the rulings that tell us that it is (SURPRISE ) optional.
"It's the electrical thunder shortage...." still LMAO
-chaosruler
) optional."It's the electrical thunder shortage...." still LMAO
-chaosruler
StRiKe_NiNjA
Dimension Shift Ninja
Need rulings on this card.
Confused on how this card works.
You can activate this card's effect when your opponent attacks. Your opponent randomly selects 1 card in your hand and calls the type of the card (Monster, Spell, or Trap). If your opponent calls it wrong, the attacking monster is returned to its owner's hand.
Now when an attack is declared, this card is activated.
Does the effect trigger?
I don't know how to word this but doesn't this card have to be face-up and already resolved before the effect can be used?
Where it says, "You can activate this card's effect when your opponent attacks." is just for it's activation right? But the effect won't trigger...
Hmmm... sorry for the poor selection of words. My bad if any of you haven't the slightest idea that I'm talking about.
Confused on how this card works.
You can activate this card's effect when your opponent attacks. Your opponent randomly selects 1 card in your hand and calls the type of the card (Monster, Spell, or Trap). If your opponent calls it wrong, the attacking monster is returned to its owner's hand.
Now when an attack is declared, this card is activated.
Does the effect trigger?
I don't know how to word this but doesn't this card have to be face-up and already resolved before the effect can be used?
Where it says, "You can activate this card's effect when your opponent attacks." is just for it's activation right? But the effect won't trigger...
Hmmm... sorry for the poor selection of words. My bad if any of you haven't the slightest idea that I'm talking about.
StRiKe_NiNjA
Dimension Shift Ninja
This is what I mean.
You can activate this card's effect when your opponent attacks.
That is just for activation correct?
In order for the actual effect to go through, it must already has to be face-up on the field when the attacked is declared.
I'm saying it won't activate since it was activated due to an attack, the effect won't take place since the actual attack must be inputed, so it has to already be face-up.
Player A: declares an attack with Gemini Elf
Player B: activates in response Ordeal or a Traveler
(The effect doesn't apply yet, it was just for activation)
Battle, Damage, back to the battle
Player A: declares an attack with Sinister Serpent
Player B's face-up Ordeal of a Traveler takes place
(Can be applied since it is already face-up)
You can activate this card's effect when your opponent attacks.
That is just for activation correct?
In order for the actual effect to go through, it must already has to be face-up on the field when the attacked is declared.
I'm saying it won't activate since it was activated due to an attack, the effect won't take place since the actual attack must be inputed, so it has to already be face-up.
Player A: declares an attack with Gemini Elf
Player B: activates in response Ordeal or a Traveler
(The effect doesn't apply yet, it was just for activation)
Battle, Damage, back to the battle
Player A: declares an attack with Sinister Serpent
Player B's face-up Ordeal of a Traveler takes place
(Can be applied since it is already face-up)
When I play this card, I activate it like a normal trap card during my opponent's Draw Phase, or when they move to Main Phase 1, etc...so it's already face up BEFORE they attack, that way I CAN activate the effect when my opponent attacks.
The card does not have an activation clause, just a clause on when the effect can be used.
But I still don't quite understand why it DOESN'T target. The wording is almost identical to 'Sakaretsu Armor' except it 'bounces' the attackting monster back to the Owner's hand instead of destroying it.
It's effect is limited to ONLY the attacking monster, just like 'Sakaretsu Armor'; whereas, 'Widespread Ruin', which DOESN'T target, won't necessarily destroy the attacking monster. I understand the reasoning behind 'Widespread Ruin'.
Thanks.
The card does not have an activation clause, just a clause on when the effect can be used.
But I still don't quite understand why it DOESN'T target. The wording is almost identical to 'Sakaretsu Armor' except it 'bounces' the attackting monster back to the Owner's hand instead of destroying it.
It's effect is limited to ONLY the attacking monster, just like 'Sakaretsu Armor'; whereas, 'Widespread Ruin', which DOESN'T target, won't necessarily destroy the attacking monster. I understand the reasoning behind 'Widespread Ruin'.
Thanks.
DaGuyWitBluGlasses
New Member
If your opponent calls it wrong, the attacking monster is returned to its owner's hand.
Passive verb tense = Non-targetting effect.
(though not all non-targetting effects have passive verb tense, but targetting effects don't have passive verb tense (in the first effect at least, secondary effects of targetting cards can be passive tense e.g. premature burial)
Compare Sakuretsu armor:
Destroy the attacking monster.
Passive verb tense = Non-targetting effect.
(though not all non-targetting effects have passive verb tense, but targetting effects don't have passive verb tense (in the first effect at least, secondary effects of targetting cards can be passive tense e.g. premature burial)
Compare Sakuretsu armor:
Destroy the attacking monster.
StRiKe_NiNjA
Dimension Shift Ninja
skey23 said:
The timing for activating this card must be correct. You can't activate until your opponent declares an attack.
StRiKe_NiNjA said:
Actually that is not true...
You CAN activate Ordeal of the Traveler (the card itself) at any point in time (after the turn it is Set), outside of the Damage Step of course.
The text states: "You can activate this card's effect when your opponent attacks."
You CANNOT however, activate its "effect" until the Attack Response Chain and only that chain. This is precisely why it must be face-up prior to the declaration of the attack (Attack Response Chain).
There is no timing for the activation of the card, only the activation of the effect.
The card does not say, you can activate this card when your opponent attacks. It says you can activate the EFFECT of this card when your opponent attacks. What text on the card prohibits the activation of the card at any other time?
The card does not say, you can activate this card when your opponent attacks. It says you can activate the EFFECT of this card when your opponent attacks. What text on the card prohibits the activation of the card at any other time?