Peculiar situation

[Jake]

I had this happen last night, at a Friday Night Yu-Gi-Oh tourney.
Player A (me) is the turn player, and has Dark Magician of Chaos, Magical Scientist, Thousand Eyes Restrict and Ryu-Sensi on the field.
Player B has Marauding Captain, Blade Knight, Mage Power equipped to MC, two set Spell/Traps and one card in his hand.

I "absorb" my opponent's MC with 1000-Eyes (I think I made an error here already, assuming the equipped card stayed on MC, giving my Restrict an ATK of 2700). Anyways, my Restrict has an ATK of 2700 and attacks my opponent's Blade Knight. He activates Mirror Force. I respond by paying 1000 LP and negating the Mirror Force through Ryu-Senshi's effect. In response to this, my opponent activates Hallowed Life Barrier and discards one card (happens to be Waboku, but that is beside the point). I of course pay another 1000 LP to negate that one. My Restrict now has 1700 ATK and is destroyed (I know, another error: the equipped MC should have been destroyed instead of my Restrict, but I wasn't paying attention, it was a really heated battle at that point).

But basically my question is this: I negated my opponent's Mirror Force by Ryu-Senshi's effect, can he then chain a Hallowed Life Barrier to Senshi's effect?

 

[Osiris]

Yes, they're both Spell Speed 2...

 

[Dlanaan]

Yes, Hallowed Life Barrier can be chained to Ryu Senshi's effect, however, you could activate Ryu Senshi's effect again to negate that if you wished.

Incidentally, the only mistake was keeping the Equip to the Marauding Captain (TER's attack should have been 1200). However, if TER goes up against Mirror Force, TER is destroyed, not the equipped monster (well, it will go away as well). This is because Mirror Force is not a result of battle.

 

[Osiris]

Yes, Hallowed Life Barrier can be chained to Ryu Senshi's effect, however, you could activate Ryu Senshi's effect again to negate that if you wished.

Incidentally, the only mistake was keeping the Equip to the Marauding Captain (TER's attack should have been 1200). However, if TER goes up against Mirror Force, TER is destroyed, not the equipped monster (well, it will go away as well). This is because Mirror Force is not a result of battle.

It's been said that if TER gets destroyed, TER gets destroyed (i.e. it doesn't share the 'self-preservation' effect Relinquished has anymore). Is this still the case?? Or has it changed again and the equip go and TER live??

 

[Dlanaan]

If Thousand Eyes Restrict would be destroyed as a result of battle while equipped with a monster from its effect, the equipped monster is destroyed instead. If TER is destroyed by something other than battle, it is destroyed regardless of any equipped monsters. What TER does not get is the damage sharing ability of Relinquished.

 

[DarkSpider]

If Thousand Eyes Restrict would be destroyed as a result of battle while equipped with a monster from its effect, the equipped monster is destroyed instead. If TER is destroyed by something other than battle, it is destroyed regardless of any equipped monsters. What TER does not get is the damage sharing ability of Relinquished.

I'm sry but that is wrong.
TER would be destroyed as a result of battle while equipped with a monster from its effect, not the equipped monster is destroyed. in the effect text is nothing about a damage sharing effect or an effect that helps the TER to survive a battle.

i think this is because your opponent is not able to attack the TER. So you must attack an stronger monster yourself with the TER or your opponent chains an ATK modifier.

"Relinquished" + "Thousand-Eyes Idol" As long as this card remains face-up on the field, other monsters cannot change their positions or attack. This monster can take on the ATK and DEF of 1 opponent's monster on the field (a face-down monster results in an ATK and DEF of 0). Treat the selected monster as an Equip Magic Card and use it to equip Thousand-Eyes Restrict. You may use this effect only once per turn and can equip Thousand-Eyes Restrict with only 1 monster at a time.

Greetings from Germany
Spidy :evil2:

 

[Osiris]

If Thousand Eyes Restrict would be destroyed as a result of battle while equipped with a monster from its effect, the equipped monster is destroyed instead. If TER is destroyed by something other than battle, it is destroyed regardless of any equipped monsters. What TER does not get is the damage sharing ability of Relinquished.

I could've sworn that I read something from Kevin or bishop that said TER had lost this ability... I'll see if I can find it on the Yahoo! forums...

 

[n00b]

If Thousand Eyes Restrict would be destroyed as a result of battle while equipped with a monster from its effect, the equipped monster is destroyed instead. If TER is destroyed by something other than battle, it is destroyed regardless of any equipped monsters. What TER does not get is the damage sharing ability of Relinquished.

I could've sworn that I read something from Kevin or bishop that said TER had lost this ability... I'll see if I can find it on the Yahoo! forums...

TER didn't lose the ability, it just never had it. The equipped monster would lose the cards equipped to it, because it is no longer a legal target for them. He was saying Mirror Force would have been negated, and his opponent activated Hallowed Life Barrier, which he also negated, because his opponent would then have less Spell and Trap Cards on the field, and Mage Power would only give him a 500 ATK point increase, but Mage Power would have gone to the Graveyard when he absorbed Marauding Captain anyway. To answer the question, you can chain Ryu Senshi's effect. It is Spell Speed 2, and Hallowed Life Barrier is Spell Speed 2. If you knew that your TER would only have 1200 ATK, I would hope you would attack with Dark Magician of Chaos first anyway...

 

[Osiris]

TER didn't lose the ability, it just never had it. The equipped monster would lose the cards equipped to it, because it is no longer a legal target for them. He was saying Mirror Force would have been negated, and his opponent activated Hallowed Life Barrier, which he also negated, because his opponent would then have less Spell and Trap Cards on the field, and Mage Power would only give him a 500 ATK point increase, but Mage Power would have gone to the Graveyard when he absorbed Marauding Captain anyway. To answer the question, you can chain Ryu Senshi's effect. It is Spell Speed 2, and Hallowed Life Barrier is Spell Speed 2. If you knew that your TER would only have 1200 ATK, I would hope you would attack with Dark Magician of Chaos first anyway...

Attack with DMoC?? But TER is on the field... and while TER is on the field only it can attack...
On losing the ability... you're right. But for a while there it was said TER did have that ability, hence my wording...

 

[n00b]

TER didn't lose the ability, it just never had it. The equipped monster would lose the cards equipped to it, because it is no longer a legal target for them. He was saying Mirror Force would have been negated, and his opponent activated Hallowed Life Barrier, which he also negated, because his opponent would then have less Spell and Trap Cards on the field, and Mage Power would only give him a 500 ATK point increase, but Mage Power would have gone to the Graveyard when he absorbed Marauding Captain anyway. To answer the question, you can chain Ryu Senshi's effect. It is Spell Speed 2, and Hallowed Life Barrier is Spell Speed 2. If you knew that your TER would only have 1200 ATK, I would hope you would attack with Dark Magician of Chaos first anyway...

Attack with DMoC?? But TER is on the field... and while TER is on the field only it can attack...
On losing the ability... you're right. But for a while there it was said TER did have that ability, hence my wording...

Oh yeah, DMoC couldn't attack. >_> And when did TER have that ability? The PSV version of TER didn't even have that in its effect, nor did the Japanese version. Was there some odd ruling or errata I was unaware of?

 

[Osiris]

TER didn't lose the ability, it just never had it. The equipped monster would lose the cards equipped to it, because it is no longer a legal target for them. He was saying Mirror Force would have been negated, and his opponent activated Hallowed Life Barrier, which he also negated, because his opponent would then have less Spell and Trap Cards on the field, and Mage Power would only give him a 500 ATK point increase, but Mage Power would have gone to the Graveyard when he absorbed Marauding Captain anyway. To answer the question, you can chain Ryu Senshi's effect. It is Spell Speed 2, and Hallowed Life Barrier is Spell Speed 2. If you knew that your TER would only have 1200 ATK, I would hope you would attack with Dark Magician of Chaos first anyway...

Attack with DMoC?? But TER is on the field... and while TER is on the field only it can attack...
On losing the ability... you're right. But for a while there it was said TER did have that ability, hence my wording...

Oh yeah, DMoC couldn't attack. >_> And when did TER have that ability? The PSV version of TER didn't even have that in its effect, nor did the Japanese version. Was there some odd ruling or errata I was unaware of?

Odd ruling...