Phoenix Wing Wind Blast VS. Monster Token

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duelists101

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Hey people, here's the scenario:

Player A - 1 Sheep Token
Player B - Face Up Atk Monster and a set PWWB

Player A activates Creature Swap on a sheep token.
Question: Can player B respond with PWWB targeting the designated sheep token. It would be sent to the deck but since it can't it would be destroyed right?
 
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I think that you can use PWWB on the monster token, since it is a monster. However, it would be destoried, rather than sent back to the top of you opponet's deck, since tokens can't ever be place in a player's deck.

I'm not sure how this is all revelant to Creature Swap however. Since Creature Swap requires you to select a monster from your side of the field (and requires you opponet to do the same), this would be done at resolution, not activation. This means that when PWWB resolves (in effect killing the token monster), all you've done is given Player A one less monster for him/her to select from when Creature Swap resolve. Please note, that if the token was Player A's only monster, then the effect of Creature Swap dissappears, since "Both players must have at least 1 eligible monster on the field for "Creature Swap" to be activated. If the opponent chains a card (such as "Ring of Destruction") to destroy the only monster on one side of the field, the effect of "Creature Swap" disappears." Hope this helps.
 
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Weather it would be destroyed, disappear, or just removed from play is debateable at this point. We're waiting clarification. It can make a difference in some situations.
 
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duelists101 said:
Hey people, here's the scenario:

Player A - 1 Sheep Token
Player B - Face Up Atk Monster and a set PWWB

Player A activates Creature Swap on a sheep token.
Question: Can player B respond with PWWB targeting the designated sheep token. It would be sent to the deck but since it can't it would be destroyed right?
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So just to be clear, Player B can chain Phoenix Wing Wind Blast to Creature Swap targeting a token. PWWB will resolve first in the chain and the token will cease to exist when it leaves the field (however whether it's detroyed or simply removed hasn't been defined yet) and then Creature Swap will resolve. However, if thiere are no other monster on Player A's side of the field when it attempts to resolve, then Creature Swap's effect vanishes.
 
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I suspect that the ruling will come back saying you can target tokens with PWWB, as the activation was correct (discard one card, and the opponent had a card at activation that could be bounced - a token stands in for a card).

Tokens can be targeted by Compulsory (or PWWB) as can Fusion Monsters neither of which can be in the hand (or Deck), but have their own rules about where they can exist - this is separate from the conditions on the card that has been activated (e.g. PWWB or Compulsory).

Some card effects cannot use tokens because you can not satisfy the activation conditions (e.g. Ultimate Baseball Kid could not use tokens as they do not get sent to the graveyard). Same with your opponent having Banisher of the Light face up and you trying to use UBK's second effect - it would not work because you could not send monsters to the graveyard. This is a condition of activation, not the effect.

Sound reasonable? ;)
 
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The ruling we're waitning on has nothing to do with whether you can target tokens with PWWB. As a matter of fact, that's really not in question. What were waiting on is whether or not tokens are considered destroyed or not when an effect removes them from the field, as the Fiber Jar ruling suggests.
 
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duelists101 said:
So can I take it as PWWB would destroy the token?
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Not as such. PWWB would attempt to return the token to your opponent's deck and when the token leaves the field it would cease to exist due to game mechanics. It's just some rulings use the term "destroy" and some use the word "removed from play" when refering to a tokens removal from the field. And were still waiting on Konami to decide which way to refer it's removal. This would only make a difference when dealing with tokens like from Ojama Trio or cards that benefit from a monster being "destroyed."
 
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