plasma versus fires of doomsday

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woltarr

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my question is

can i use the doomsday tokens as part of the special sumon of the d hero plasma?

PTDN-EN055 Fires of Doomsday (1st Edition)
Rare - Phantom Darkness
Stats: Spell Card
Card #: PTDN-EN055
Found In: Phantom Darkness 1st Edition
Description: If you activate this card, you cannot Summon other monsters this turn. Special Summon 2 "Doomsday Tokens" (Fiend-Type/DARK/Level 1/ATK 0/DEF 0) in Defense Position. These tokens cannot be Tributed for a Tribute Summon, unless it is for a DARK monster.


it says cannot use as tribute unless it is a dark monster but


1= plasma is a special sumon monster
2= plasma is dark

CT04-EN003 Destiny Hero - Plasma
Secret Rare - 2007 Collectors Tin
Stats: Warrior/Effect Level 8 ATK/1900 DEF/600
Card #: CT04-EN003
Found In: 2007 Wave 1 Destiny Hero - Plasma Tin
Translation: This card cannot be Special Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Tributing 3 monsters you control. Once per turn, select your opponent's monster and equip it to this card (you can only equip 1 monster at a time to this card). This card gains equal to half of the ATK of the equipped monster. While this card is face-up on the field, negate all the effects of face-up effect monsters your opponent controls


plmk


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The last line of Fires of Doomsday doesn't apply to Destiny Hero - Plasma for the first reason you mention; he's a Special Summon. So the tokens could be used regardless of his Attribute.
 
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i thought with the new series of errata/concatenations, certain things were implied.

e.g. tribute implies=> from the monsters you control, pick monster/s and tribute


meaning, when a card says special summon, it implies special summon to your side.
and cards that are exceptions to the implications will say so, e.g. lava golem
 
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i don't quite follow where DLoC was going regarding using the fires of doomsday and using them to summon lava golem to opponent's side.

the impression i got was to use fires to summon 2 tokens to opp's side, then trib those for lava golem.


although, my new personal favorite lava golem technique is to use torture golem then lava golem and then brain control/enemy controller.
 
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He was just pointing out that you can use your opponent's Doomsday Tokens the same way you can use your opponent's Sheep Tokens to Special Summon Lava Golem.
 
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1cup said:
i don't quite follow where DLoC was going regarding using the fires of doomsday and using them to summon lava golem to opponent's side.

the impression i got was to use fires to summon 2 tokens to opp's side, then trib those for lava golem.
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He was just saying that the Tokens can be Tributed to Special Summon Lava Golem (i.e. your opponent has the Tokens, and you're giving your opponent a Lava Golem), emphasising that the Tokens have no restrictions when it comes to Special Summons. He knows how the game's played.
 
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chalk it up to my own mis-interpretation.

i didn't make the connection about what if NTP uses fires




besides, any monster is fair game as tribute fodder for lava golem.
scapegoat, ojama, vic viper, cyber shadow gardna.
because they're not being tributed for a tribute summon.

which is why i figured DLoC was making the jump to summon to ntp's side then trib for golem.


tangent: as far as i can tell, there is no monster immune to being tributed for lava golem, correct.?(minus having mask of restrict active on the field).
 
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silly entropy. we're talking monsters, not cartoons.


get real.

also, i'm not totally familiar with toons, but don't the lv.5+ toons still need tribs too?
as in, tributable monsters?

one last: don't quite follow what you mean re: immortal bushi. he's only tribute fodder for warriors.
 
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Ahhh, yes! Toons...Manga Ryu-Ran, Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon. Thank you Entrapy!!

I also remember (thanks to working with my daughter on a Spellcaster Deck last night) Magical Demension!! One of my all time favorite abuse cards. Use it for SS-ing Chaos Command Magician, Cybernetic Magician, D.D.M., Neo-Aqua Madoor, or Kazejin (ooh, Kazejin and friends with All-Out Attacks...nice!!) tributing your Doomsday Tokens. Actually, those Doomsday Tokens would work alright in a Spellcaster Deck, as most of them are Dark as well.
 
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1cup said:
silly entropy. we're talking monsters, not cartoons.


get real.

also, i'm not totally familiar with toons, but don't the lv.5+ toons still need tribs too?
as in, tributable monsters?

one last: don't quite follow what you mean re: immortal bushi. he's only tribute fodder for warriors.
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Well, again, we were now talking about what you brought up. You said you didn't know of any monsters that were immune to being offered as tribute for Lava Golem, other then having Mask of Restrict on the field. I said I could only think of Archfiend's Roar. But then Entropy pointed out The Immortal Bushi, which cannot be offered as tribute under ANY circumstances, unless it's for a Tribute Summon of a Warrior. So that would be one that couldn't be used for Lava Golem.

And as already pointed out, Toons are often Special Summons, so the tokens can be used as tribute fodder for them to.
 
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ty dj for clearing that up.

but while talking about toons:
summoning blue eyes toon dragon:
Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon
Toon Monster (Dragon / LIGHT / 8 Stars / ATK 3000 / DEF 2500)

This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned while "Toon World" is on your side of the field. You can Special Summon this monster from your hand, but Tributes are required for monsters Level 5 or more. This card cannot attack in the turn that it is Summoned. Unless you pay 500 Life Points, this monster cannot attack. When "Toon World" on the field is destroyed, this card is also destroyed. If your opponent doesn't control a Toon Monster, this card can attack your opponent's Life Points directly. If a face-up Toon Monster is on your opponent's side of the field, you must select the Toon Monster as an attack target.​
since BETD is lv 8, i need to tribute 2 monsters to special summon him

or

i need to tribute monsters whose total level is greater than 5.

e.g.
i have 4 scapegoats from a previous turn and a mof in my hand.

do i tribute 4 goats and a mof to special summon BETD
or
tribute 2 goats and special summon BETD
 
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1cup said:
ty dj for clearing that up.

but while talking about toons:
summoning blue eyes toon dragon:
Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon
Toon Monster (Dragon / LIGHT / 8 Stars / ATK 3000 / DEF 2500)

This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned while "Toon World" is on your side of the field. You can Special Summon this monster from your hand, but Tributes are required for monsters Level 5 or more. This card cannot attack in the turn that it is Summoned. Unless you pay 500 Life Points, this monster cannot attack. When "Toon World" on the field is destroyed, this card is also destroyed. If your opponent doesn't control a Toon Monster, this card can attack your opponent's Life Points directly. If a face-up Toon Monster is on your opponent's side of the field, you must select the Toon Monster as an attack target.​
since BETD is lv 8, i need to tribute 2 monsters to special summon him

or

i need to tribute monsters whose total level is greater than 5.

e.g.
i have 4 scapegoats from a previous turn and a mof in my hand.

do i tribute 4 goats and a mof to special summon BETD
or
tribute 2 goats and special summon BETD
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You would offer tributes in the same manner you would for a typical Tribute Summon. Meaning you would offer one monster for a Level 6/5, or two monsters for a Level 7 or higher. The only difference is that this is a Special Summon, so you can use the tokens who have the "No tribute summon" restriction.

About the only time you look at Star Level when offering Tributes is when dealing with Ritual Summons, or effects that specify you look at the stars.
 
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