Premature Burial

[furryjenny]

Many questions:

1) If PB is destroyed in a chain, does its effect resolve? (I'm guessing no.)
2) Can you PB a Ryu Senshi since it negates all effects of Spells that target it?
3) Can you negate PB's destruction effect with:
a) Horus lv. 6?
b) Horus lv. 8?

 

[novastar]

1.) Do you mean a PB -> MST type of thing? then the answer is no, the target monster you not be Special Summoned, and you will not get you 800 LP back.

2.) Yes (if properly Fusion Summoned), and once Ryu is summoned he will negate and destroy PB, but will remain alive.

3.) a) Yes b) No, you cannot chain to it.

 

[captainphan13]

you cant negate PB's destruction effect simply because Horus LV8 states "negate the activation and effect." At the time PB is activated and cost is paid, Horus LV8 can negate it, if controller of Horus LV8 decides not to, they can't use Horus' effect against PB by then since they can't negate the activation since it was already activated. Hrmm get it?

It's like Magic Jammer, you can't do it to PB' destruction effect.

 

[CerezScypher]

2.) Yes (if properly Fusion Summoned), and once Ryu is summoned he will negate and destroy PB, but will remain alive.

I've wondered about this before, are you sure that he can negate a Spell card as it resolves?  I would have thought that he would have to do the negation at activation because targets are designated at activation, but I do also see how it could be this way, so I'm still puzzled.

 

[novastar]

2.) Yes (if properly Fusion Summoned), and once Ryu is summoned he will negate and destroy PB, but will remain alive.

I've wondered about this before, are you sure that he can negate a Spell card as it resolves?  I would have thought that he would have to do the negation at activation because targets are designated at activation, but I do also see how it could be this way, so I'm still puzzled.

Equip cards are constantly targeting, or checking for a target. I'm positive, as soon as Ryu hits the field, his effect will negate and destroy PB, and he will still live. This is exactly like Tyrant Dragon and Call of the Haunted.

Hope that helps

 

[CerezScypher]

That does help.  One more scenario, if I have a Blue Eyes(or any dragon type monster) equipped with Premature Burial, then I summon Lord of D., is Premature Burial no longer able to target Blue Eyes, so then Premature Burial is no longer equipped to a monster and it is sent to the graveyard while the Blue Eyes remains.  Is this correct?

 

[Maester Bacman]

The problem is that Lord of D. prevents dragons from getting targeted when he reaches the field. If some dragons were already being targeted by a card effect before he reached the field, those effects will keep targeting the dragons.

 

[CerezScypher]

Got another scenario, Skill Drain is active, Ryu Senshi is summoned with Premature Burial.  Premature Burial will not be negated and destroyed because of Skill Drain.  Now let's say Skill Drain is destroyed on the next turn, Does Ryu Senshi now negate and destroy Premature Burial?

 

[woltarr]

Got another scenario, Skill Drain is active, Ryu Senshi is summoned with Premature Burial.  Premature Burial will not be negated and destroyed because of Skill Drain.  Now let's say Skill Drain is destroyed on the next turn, Does Ryu Senshi now negate and destroy Premature Burial?

as novastar wisely pointed a equipp card is always targeting the monster it is equipping

as such, when skill drain leaves the field, ryu senshi effct will kicks in and would them destroy premature burial

woltarr

 

[furryjenny]

A little wording thing I found on the errata page...
Ryu Senshi
(Legacy of Darkness)
"Warrior Dai Grepher" + "Spirit Ryu"
This monster can only be Fusion Summoned by the above Fusion Material Monsters. Negate the effect of a Normal Trap Card by paying 1000 Life Points. Also negate the effect of a Spell Card that designates this card as a target and destroy(s) it.

Does this mean that Ryu Senshi can only negate "Trib. to the Doomed", "Offerings t.t. Doomed", etc. and not Premature? Or can it negate PB's destruction effect (aka is PB's destruction effect targeting?)

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

A little wording thing I found on the errata page...
Ryu Senshi 
(Legacy of Darkness)
"Warrior Dai Grepher" + "Spirit Ryu"
This monster can only be Fusion Summoned by the above Fusion Material Monsters. Negate the effect of a Normal Trap Card by paying 1000 Life Points. Also negate the effect of a Spell Card that designates this card as a target and destroy(s) it. 

Does this mean that Ryu Senshi can only negate "Trib. to the Doomed", "Offerings t.t. Doomed", etc. and not Premature? Or can it negate PB's destruction effect (aka is PB's destruction effect targeting?)

No, its just bad English. The last "s" [hopefully] shouldn't be there.

 

[masterwoo0]

A little wording thing I found on the errata page...
Ryu Senshi 
(Legacy of Darkness)
"Warrior Dai Grepher" + "Spirit Ryu"
This monster can only be Fusion Summoned by the above Fusion Material Monsters. Negate the effect of a Normal Trap Card by paying 1000 Life Points. Also negate the effect of a Spell Card that designates this card as a target and destroy(s) it. 

Does this mean that Ryu Senshi can only negate "Trib. to the Doomed", "Offerings t.t. Doomed", etc. and not Premature? Or can it negate PB's destruction effect (aka is PB's destruction effect targeting?)

No, its just bad English. The last "s" [hopefully] shouldn't be there.

Actually, I think it applies as it is speaking in "present participle", expressing an action in relation to time.

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

Either way, there are still much better ways to state the effect.

 

[furryjenny]

So it should really say,

Destroy and negate (the effect of) a Spell Card that specifically designates this card as a target.

This wording sounds nicer, you can tell what's being destroyed, and it also clears the issue of what happens to effects that are activated after the card is destroyed. (The old wording, "negate...effect and destroy" makes it seem as if destroying the card is the last thing that Ryu Senshi's effect does.)