Priority Question

[heartofthecards]

priority

after summoning tribe infecting virus and my opponent activates ring, compolsory, torrential, Skill Drain, offering to the doomed or any card that may destroy him or remove him from the field, I understand that his effect still goes through because

1. it is a cost effect which activates upon summoning
2. only a card that can negate the cost itself can negate the activation of the effect

Is my info correct and how bout the monarchs priority after successful tributes?

thanks


this is my first thread how iz zit?

 

[Digital Jedi]

if a response (SOL JUD, HORN HEv) tribe and monarchs summonings are negated and no effects will be activated

Like I said this is the exception. The reason you don't get priority with the effects of these monsters is because they are never considered by the game to have hit the field. This why they are the only traps that out run Jinzo. He never makes it to the field to be able to negate them.

What if the response is ring, torential, bottomless, compulsory?

If you didn't pass on your priority to use a monster's effect then these effects are chained to your monster's effect. Then the chain resolves as normal. Remember a monster doesn't necesarily have to remain on the field for its effect to resolve. The text of the card will usually clarify that.

Although the monster will be destroyed can I activate the effect after the reponse of the trap or other type of response?

If you passed on your priority and let them activate their Trap or Quick-play effects, then no (unless your monster is a Spell Speed 2 effect like Strike Ninja) your monster's effect cannot be chained to a faster Spell Speed.

It seens as though As long as I give my apponent a chance to respond its fair play and if he/she doesnt repond then I can move on

I believe that the problem arises because we use the term priority to mea IMMEDIATE and AUTOMATIC activation and forgetting the basic gameplay rule of OPPONENTS CHANCE TO RESPOND. to every action an opponent has a chance to respond.

Prority means that you as the trun player are in the position to go first. While they can respond to the summon it must be after you've been given the choice of whether you want to activate its effect or not. Only then is your opponent allowed to respond. Not before. This is proper gameplay.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Monarchs do NOT need the player to have priority to use their effects. They are triggered effects, mobius being an optional one. You must decide when you summon Mobius whether or not you activate its effect. Your opponent cannot play Torrential Tribute until you have declared your intentions.

 

[Digital Jedi]

I realize that trigger effects are considered to not use priority. But the ones that trigger when the monster is summoned, whether optional or not, work exactly the same way.

 

[FATHER-O-FIENDS]

Thank you the only thing that bothers me about saying it is the terminology of saying "activation".

As a community, we have been striving to make everyone understand that you cannot chain to a summons. But saying "activation" makes it sound too similar to the wording for chainable effects.

Maybe..."declaration". Now, everyone take a fine point marker and rewrite what your Solemn Judgement and Horn of Heaven cards say, to include the term, "declaration"

...or not.
[edit] I got a compliment and reached 100 posts all at the same time.

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..cry *sniff*

I like it! "Declaration." Now if I can get this stupid marker to write...

Ok, try this one on. If an effect monster is successfully summoned and priority is called to activate its effect, doesn't a card like Torrential Tribute loose its activation timing since the last thing was the activation on the effect? Torrential can't chain to the effect because of the activation requirement (summon-BTW this is not chaining to a summon), so can it be activated for a different reason?

 

[John Danker]

I like it! "Declaration." Now if I can get this stupid marker to write...

Ok, try this one on. If an effect monster is successfully summoned and priority is called to activate its effect, doesn't a card like Torrential Tribute loose its activation timing since the last thing was the activation on the effect? Torrential can't chain to the effect because of the activation requirement (summon-BTW this is not chaining to a summon), so can it be activated for a different reason?

Torrential Tribute may be activated in chain to the activation of an ignition effect monster as this is the first chance for the non-turn player to respond and the the last fact was the summoning of a monster....an activation of an effect isn't the same as the resolution. If the effect of the ignition effect had resolve THEN it would be too late to activate Torrential Tribute.

 

[daivahataka]

I like it! "Declaration." Now if I can get this stupid marker to write...

Ok, try this one on. If an effect monster is successfully summoned and priority is called to activate its effect, doesn't a card like Torrential Tribute loose its activation timing since the last thing was the activation on the effect? Torrential can't chain to the effect because of the activation requirement (summon-BTW this is not chaining to a summon), so can it be activated for a different reason?

Think of it more as the last thing to have resolved has to be the summon (since summons like spell/trap/effect activations can be negated, via Horn of Heaven & Solemn Judgement) for these cards to have correct timing, activating other things doesn't affect this, only if you allow them to resolve does it prevent you from responding to the summon.

 

[Digital Jedi]

You know I thought I had a hard time accepting that at first. But perusing the internet it seems that people are having a even harder time understanding that cards like Trap Hole, Bottomless Trap Hole, Torrential Tribute and the usual stuff that responds to a summon (but does not negate it) is actually chained the effect of the summoned monster and not "placed on the chain" just because of proximity.

Some are even refusing to accept it. I thought I was stubborn

 

[squid]

well, it took me a second or 3 to grasp the concept too. Its like 2 people grabbing at a broom handle, each one's hand snatching above the other's trying to get to the top. they are still grabbing at the same broom

I mean
Mobius (the broom) is summoned.
Mobius's effect is activated (first hand) due to player priority.
Bottomless Trap Hole(2nd hand) is chained to Mobius's effect, but "responding" to the actual summons
Torrential Tribute(3rd hand) is chained to Bottomless Trap Hole, but "responding" still to the actual summons.
squid (4th hand) chains by attempting to answer, still "responding" to the question.
densetsu_x (5th hand) chains, negating squid's answer, and responds to the question.

 

[densetsu_x]

well, it took me a second or 3 to grasp the concept too. Its like 2 people grabbing at a broom handle, each one's hand snatching above the other's trying to get to the top. they are still grabbing at the same broom

I mean
Mobius (the broom) is summoned.
Mobius's effect is activated (first hand) due to player priority.
Mirror Force (2nd hand) is chained to Mobius's effect, but "responding" to the actual summons
Magical Cylinders (3rd hand) is chained to Mirror Force, but "responding" still to the actual summons.
squid (4th hand) chains by attempting to answer, still "responding" to the question.
Digital Jedi (5th hand) chains, negating squid's answer, and responds to the question.

Squid: I'm thinking you're getting your threads crossed since neither Mirror Force nor Magic Cylinder can be chained to Mobius' effect when he is summoned... When he attacks, sure. Summoned? This is where BTH and TT come in.

 

[squid]

excuse me. You are correct. Ive got 4 windows open right now, and am totally mixing signals

Let me change that