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1cup

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i'm a little fuzzy on the nuances of ygo. as turn player i can normal summon and use priority on all ignition effects, and certain trigger effects (ones that pertain to "when you successfully summon....")

correct?

i wouldn't be suprised if there were certain ignition effects that aren't able to use priority but c'est la ygo.
 
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Well, before people start chasing after you with signs saying "MONSTERS DON'T HAVE PRIORITY PLAYERS DO" (which, in my opinion, is a pretty stupid and vague distinction), I'd like to point out that you didn't say anything that would strongly imply that monsters have priority.

Anyway, if an effect is triggered by the summon, your monster can't take advantage of the initial summon priority (i.e. the ability to put your effect as the first effect on the chain), because trigger effects are placed on the chain before manual effects.

Of course, if your effect is Trigger or Spell Speed 2, then it ignores the restriction. Or continuous, but Continuous effects don't use the chain, so they don't matter in this context.

Examples? Breaker the Magical Warrior can't activate its effect during the summon response chain for TWO reasons:
a) Its summon triggers its trigger effect, which goes on the chain before any manual effects.
b) It doesn't actually have a counter until its trigger effect resolves. That is, it doesn't have a counter to use its Sp1 manual effect until the summon chain is completely over, and you can only utilize summon initial priority during the summon response chain.
 
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re: trigger effects
i see your point. that's why tp can trib for mobius, target a fd torrenial, and ntp can chain it.

re: who has priority
well, i meant it as:
if i want to use this monster, i have the option of using priority.
e.g.

-normal summon exiled, priority to pop a monster
-normal summon kaibaman, trib to get bewd.

i was curious about how to determine which monsters would give the me priority in case i'm put into a situation which could be resolved by either of 2 monsters in my hand, but only one would give me priority to use its effect before it's bth'd or something.
 
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The quick and easy way to tell if the monster 'qualifies' for Priority is....

Do you have to manually choose to activate it's effect or not? If you do, then 9/10 times, it qualifies for Priority.

With monsters that have Triggered Effects, you don't choose to activate them or not, they do it automatically when the triggering event is met. This is why they don't 'qualify' for Priority.
 
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In all fairness, Mike's article is a little dated right now as it was made when there really was no information about priority, just bits and pieces which he did spend a lot of time putting together. I believe someone else posted an updated article in conjunction to it.

Simply put, as the turn player, if you summon a monster that does not have a Trigger effect (something that automatically activates) or some other Trigger effect is not active on the field (such as Stumbling), then you may

a) Activate an Ignition effect
b) Activate a Multi-Trigger effect
c) Activate a Quick-Play Spell Card or
d) Activate a Trap Card

before your opponent can respond to your summon. Priority means that as the turn player, you have the right to act first before your opponent.
 
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1cup said:
i see your point. that's why tp can trib for mobius, target a fd torrenial, and ntp can chain it.
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No, I don't believe that was any of my points.
1cup said:
-normal summon kaibaman, trib to get bewd.
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Actions like Normal Summoning, which do not go on chain, can't be done in a response chain, and in particular, can't be done in a summon response chain.
1cup said:
i was curious about how to determine which monsters would give the me priority in case i'm put into a situation which could be resolved by either of 2 monsters in my hand, but only one would give me priority to use its effect before it's bth'd or something.
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Actually, you would have the priority anyway, if you summoned, say, a monster with no effect. You get to respond to the last event before your opponent. The only thing summon priority adds is that you have another option in the cards you can activate with that "I get to start a chain first" priority.
 
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If you summon Heavy Mech Support Platform and there are no other chains that automatically start (like Stumbling or if King Tiger Wanghu is on the field), you can activate it's effect since it is an ignition effect. Don't get bogged down on specific cards and just remember the general procedure. The fact that it's a Union monster means nothing in this case.
 
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Raijinili said:
Well, before people start chasing after you with signs saying "MONSTERS DON'T HAVE PRIORITY PLAYERS DO" (which, in my opinion, is a pretty stupid and vague distinction), I'd like to point out that you didn't say anything that would strongly imply that monsters have priority.
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The only time that's ever stated is when a person asks if or when does [monster name] have priority, such as SS64's question. It isn't a vague statement because the majority of the time it is followed up by an explanation as to why, especially on this forum. The distinction is important and shouldn't be trivialized like that, as it goes to the heart of what priority is and what priority isn't. But, as you pointed out, nothing was stated in the original post about monsters having priority was stated, so, for a couple of reasons, the preemptive strike wasn't really necessary.
 
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I said it was a vague distinction.

Monsters can have "priority", but it would have to be defined differently: Monster's priority is the ability to use its effect during its own summon response chain.

I don't believe there's any situation where the context couldn't tell you which priority you're talking about, so it's a stupid distinction. We can make up words for things as long as people know what we're talking about. The two definitions don't conflict, because they're used in completely different contexts. Better than "Monsters don't have priority, players do" is "Priority is the right of a player to do something at a specific point in time."
 
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At the risk of repeating myself, nine times out of ten the statement is followed up by an explanation as to why. The distinction exists because monsters don't truly possess priority. No card in the game does. All you've done in your last sentence is rephrase the statement to one you like better. It's no more or less correct then the original. "Traffic lights don't stop traffic, motorist themselves do" to "Traffic yields to traffic lights because of the law instructs them to do so." Just a rephrase that further emphasizes how important the distinction between who posses priority and what doesn't. Monster's Priority vs Monster Priority.

But like I also said, it's very unlikely that anyone here would have brought that up, being that it was never implied in the original post. Something you noted yourself.
 
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Speaking on priority, (and a little on laziness). I'm going to make this simple.
Opponant field: 1 fd S/T, 1 atk pos. Mad Dog of Darkness
Mine: 1 set TT.
If I special Cyber Dragon, can I activate Torrential Tribute before my opponant activates Black Horn of Heaven?
 
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No.








Ok, you're waiting for more of an explanation. Black Horn of Heaven negates the Special Summon before it is considered "Successful". Torrential Tribute can only be activated AFTER a Normal/Special Summon is considered "Successful".
 
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Summon Negators, like Black Horn of Heaven, have different timing then Summon Responders, like Torrential Tribute. The negators are activated just after the summon declaration, but not when the summon is considered to have been successful. The responders react to a successfully completed summon.

So, no. At the moment you would be able to activate Black Horn of Heaven, you would not be allowed to activate Torrential Tribute. They both activate a completely different points in time.

EDIT: Stop typing so fast.
 
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OKay, but if it were a Bottomless Trap Hole, would I have priority to TT?
I'm only asking because I know Players have priority to activate spell and traps, and making sure. (I assume the answer is yes, I can activate TT before they activate Bottomless (and I already know how they resolution will be)).
 
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Yes you could activate Torrential Tribute first, but they could still chain Bottomless Trap Hole (as a response to your summon as well) which would resolve first, removing your monster from play and then TT resolves destroying everything else.
 
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I see, you just picked the wrong card as an example. Just remember this basic rules of thumb. Priority allows the Turn Player, upon a successful summon, to activate any Ignition Effects from monsters he controls or Spell Speed 2 effects before his opponent can respond. So yes, you can activate Torrential in response to your own summon before he activate Bottomless.

EDIT: Curse you again for your speedy typing
 
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Digital Jedi said:
At the risk of repeating myself, nine times out of ten the statement is followed up by an explanation as to why.
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I saw that the first time, yes.
Digital Jedi said:
The distinction exists because monsters don't truly possess priority. No card in the game does. All you've done in your last sentence is rephrase the statement to one you like better.
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That sounds an awful lot like an accusation of malice. Yes, I like it better. That's why I said it was better. Do you disagree?

And I said that monsters don't have priority with the "actual" definition (i.e. the one which higher-level judges use). I also said that the definition that the less-knowledgable players use doesn't overlap with the situations where the normal definition is used, and that context can tell which definition is being used. So it's silly to outright state that monsters don't have priority. Giving the standard definition is enough.
Digital Jedi said:
It's no more or less correct then the original.
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I didn't say that the original was not correct, though. I just don't like that it's too much of a meme.
Digital Jedi said:
But like I also said, it's very unlikely that anyone here would have brought that up, being that it was never implied in the original post. Something you noted yourself.
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Well, perhaps I feel that people are trigger-happy with the phrase and you don't. So I feel it's more likely than you do. Simple difference of opinion.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Summon Negators, like Black Horn of Heaven, have different timing then Summon Responders, like Torrential Tribute. The negators are activated just after the summon declaration, but not when the summon is considered to have been successful. The responders react to a successfully completed summon.

So, no. At the moment you would be able to activate Black Horn of Heaven, you would not be allowed to activate Torrential Tribute. They both activate a completely different points in time.

EDIT: Stop typing so fast.
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Add to this that Torrential Tribute is a Spell Speed 2 and as such, cannot be chained to a Spell Speed 3 like Black Horn of Heaven.
 
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