Pulling the Rug's Errata

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DH2K4

Spirit of Dust
Justin of UDE said:
Judges:

We are issuing an errata for "Pulling the Rug". The original Japanese card text
was extremely vague (the sentence had no subject), and so the actual effect of
the card was open to interpretation. A very liberal interpretation was finally
decided for the effect, but this decision was unfortunately made after the card
went to press.

Here's the new text:

Negate the activation and effect of an Effect Monster whose effect activated
when a monster was Normal Summoned (even itself), and destroy that Effect
Monster.

What this means is that "Pulling the Rug" can also be used to negate and destroy
an Effect Monster with a Trigger Effect that activated when a monster was Normal
Summoned, (King Tiger Wanghu, Mysterious Puppeteer, etc.) in addition to an
Effect Monster whose own effect activated when it was Normal Summoned (Zaborg
the Thunder Monarch, etc.).

Justin Reilly
Associate Game Designer
Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D
Upper Deck Entertainment
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Interesting, seems it can do more than before, anyone's views on this card changed now :p
 
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It depends entirely on whether an effect is still considered to be activated even when it isn't.

From that logic right there, you can't use Pulling the Rug in such circumstances.
 
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Its simple though. if ya choose to pass priority to your opponent when the monster is summoned instead of activating its optional effect there is no effect to chain pulling the rug to.

Its gonna be great fun seeing anybody with PTR in their deck jumping the gun with it. If a guy summons a monarch and they jump the gun and say they play PTR you just say hey hold on a moment man. I have priority to activate or not activate my monarchs effect and i choose not to. Then you smile and laugh at him when he isnt looking.
 
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Only 1 problem to that: Mobius is the only optional monarch, so you can still use pulling the rug on other monarchs even if you jump the gun :p (and you have at least 1 card in your hand when it comes to Thestalos).
 
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skey23 said:
Based off the translated text we have for "Des Calibur Knight", I would agree with DaGuy and Chillout in this case.
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Maybe I'm not getting the new errata, but When Zaborg is summoned, his effect activates.

Des Calibur Knight MUST be Tributed when a Effect Monster on the field activates its effect.

Pulling the Rug states that when a Effect Monster is Normal Summoned and a effect activates, negate the effect and destroy the monster. In this case, you have Des Calibur Knight as well as Zaborg that have activated effects that are based off a Normal Summon.

The only way Zaborg can activate his effect is if he is Tribute Summon, which is still a Normal Summon. Des Calibur Knight cannot activate his effect unless a Effect Monster activates its effect first.

Now, where is it that this is conflicting with the Errata for Pulling the Rug?!?!?!

Also, Exiled Force and Des Calibur Knight are not the same situation. Exiled Force does NOT have a Mandatory Trigger when he is summoned. It is a optional effect. Zaborg and Des Calibur Knight do not have optional effects.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Maybe I'm not getting the new errata, but When Zaborg is summoned, his effect activates.

Des Calibur Knight MUST be Tributed when a Effect Monster on the field activates its effect.

Pulling the Rug states that when a Effect Monster is Normal Summoned and a effect activates, negate the effect and destroy the monster. In this case, you have Des Calibur Knight as well as Zaborg that have activated effects that are based off a Normal Summon.

The only way Zaborg can activate his effect is if he is Tribute Summon, which is still a Normal Summon. Des Calibur Knight cannot activate his effect unless a Effect Monster activates its effect first.

Now, where is it that this is conflicting with the Errata for Pulling the Rug?!?!?!
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Des Calibur Knight is not a monster that has an effect that is triggered by a monster being summoned.

Des Calibur Knight is a monster that has an effect that is triggered when another monster's effect is activated.

That's the difference.
 
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skey23 said:
Des Calibur Knight is not a monster that has an effect that is triggered by a monster being summoned.

Des Calibur Knight is a monster that has an effect that is triggered when another monster's effect is activated.

That's the difference.
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That's like trying to understand why they ruled Ancient Gear Engineer the way they did, and Chainsaw Insect the way it is.

I understand where all of you are coming from, but if the card is Errata'd (Barely a week after release), there is no telling what it can actually do (as there is already confusion), and it could very well be that it would include monsters whose effects activate based off a monster who can ONLY activate its effect when Normal Summoned.
 
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There is no confusion (in my mind at least..;)). I provided a good base list of cards that fall into the newly errata'd category of monsters you can use it against. From that list, you can extrapolate further to find other monsters that fit the 'mold', so to speak....lol.
 
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Since it is a counter Trap, can you miss the timing on it? That is, I tribute Sangan for Thestolos. SEGOC-I chose Thestalos step 1, Sangan Step 2...Now, can you activate Pulling the Rug?

Same ques.tion, but with Stumbling on the field.
 
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DarkLogicianOfCaos said:
Since it is a counter Trap, can you miss the timing on it? That is, I tribute Sangan for Thestolos. SEGOC-I chose Thestalos step 1, Sangan Step 2...Now, can you activate Pulling the Rug?

Same ques.tion, but with Stumbling on the field.
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Your chain is not correct. Remember, the Tributed Monster's effect will be first in the chain, no matter what. That means that "Sangan" will be link 1, then "Thestalos" will be Link 2, then you can respond with "Pulling the Rug" to stop "Thestalos".


But yes, you can miss the timing for certain cards in certain scenarios. Example "Mobius" and "Mysterious Puppeteer". No matter what, you will never be able to use "Pulling the Rug" against the "Mysterious Puppeteer" unless the "Mobius" player chooses not to use the effect of their newly Summoned "Mobius".
 
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Negate the activation and effect of an Effect Monster whose effect activated when a monster was Normal Summoned (even itself), and destroy that Effect Monster.

There's nothing in that text that can draw a line between trigger effects and ignition effects.

There's only 2 logical ways to interpret the text:

It can be used against monsters whose:
-effects are specifically triggered by a normal summon.
or
-monster effects that activate at the time of a normal summon.

Now its certainly possible for arbitrary exceptions to be put to the 2nd rule, such as cannot be used against multi-trigger/ignition monster, or even something even more arbitrary like cannot be used against Dark Monster, but:

Since the ruling doesn't say only "It cannot be used against ignition effects" but rather, says "that was activated when a monster was Normal Summoned. " The natural implication has to be that "being activated at the time a monster was normal summoned" is not the qualification for Pulling the Rug, because if it were, you would jsut say, "cannot be used against ignition effects." Or cannot be used against Manually activated effects (to eliminate Multi-triggers)

So therefore, the 2nd interpretation is eliminated based on the ruling.
 
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Let point out something which I noticed...

Regarding this ruling again - You cannot Chain "Pulling the Rug" to an Ignition Effect that was activated when a monster was Normal Summoned. ("Exiled Force", etc.)

Since its giving Exiled Force as an example, maybe that rule is to make sure there's no confusion or arguments about whether you could activate Pulling the Rug against monsters that have an ignition effect, used by the Turn Player's priority so that it 'seems' to be activated upon their Normal summoning.

Just wondering if it means anything, thats all.
 
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DH2K4 said:
Let point out something which I noticed...

Regarding this ruling again - You cannot Chain "Pulling the Rug" to an Ignition Effect that was activated when a monster was Normal Summoned. ("Exiled Force", etc.)

Since its giving Exiled Force as an example, maybe that rule is to make sure there's no confusion or arguments about whether you could activate Pulling the Rug against monsters that have an ignition effect, used by the Turn Player's priority so that it 'seems' to be activated upon their Normal summoning.

Just wondering if it means anything, thats all.
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That was my feeling as well, since the summoned monster requires you to state that you are going to use the effect after a successful summon, rather than it being a "trigger" that occurs from the summon.
 
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skey23 said:
Well, you seem to be confused about this now Horus...

It will never be able to stop "Jinzo" or ANY monster with an Ignition effect like "Exiled Force".

Its designed to stop monsters with Triggered effects that specifically trigger when a monster is Summoned (Normal Summon and Tribute Summon).

These monsters include, but are not limited to...
Stratos
Monarchs
Tsukuyomi
Breaker (his first effect)
Dark Dust Spirit
Dark Magician of Chaos
King Tiger Wang-Hu
Mysterious Puppeteer
Gadgets
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Explain to me how Jinzo's effect is optional. Doesn't the effect activate when it is normal summoned?
"Negate the activation and effect of an Effect Monster whose effect activated when a monster was Normal Summoned (even itself), and destroy that Effect Monster."
I can understand Exiled and Mobius because their effects don't necessarily activate when they are normal summoned and activating their effects is optional but like Zaborg, Jinzo's effect activates the minute he hits the field.
 
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Jathro said:
Jinzo's effect is Continuous. There is nothing that will trigger Pulling the Rug.
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Adding to this, because Jinzo's effect is Continuous, it does not activate. It instead "becomes active" or "switches on". A different thing entirely. Continuous effects do not use the chain, and so Jinzo's effect would switch on immediately after its Summon and before either player gets a chance to respond to the Summon (thus making Bottomless Trap Hole, Torrential Tribute, etc. useless).
 
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