Questions on some oldies, but goodies...

CraniumX

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Seeing it's Easter and all, looks like the board here's slow, which isn't really a bad thing, but I do have a few questions about some older cards that I haven't seen any specific answers for in RONIN, and the UDE website is broke right now it seems for some reason, so here they go:

1) In the tournament I played in yesterday, I had Nobleman of Extermination played on my face down Call of the Haunted, so I chained CotH to NoE and brought back a creature, but he claimed that NoE still removed CotH from play. I tried to tell him that it wouldn't, because CotH was face-up when NoE resolved, and therefore it "fizzled" (yes, I used to play M:TG, so I use that term a lot), but he claimed it didn't, so he called the store owner over, who read the card, and sort of agreed with me, but he called over another person, who I'm not sure, but might've been a LVL 1 judge, from what I'm to understand there's only two in the state, or at least two that go there, and at least one wasn't there this week, although there was a record attendance of 24 people (seems sad, doesn't it?), but he sided with the other person, so I went ahead and removed it from play, it didn't really hurt me, and I didn't feel it was worth arguing over, especially since it was the owner that went ahead and agreed with the person he called over.
Basically, though, what I want to know, is there some official ruling somewhere I can print out to give to the guy, so he knows that it basically won't work like that? RONIN had nothing at all on NoE, and I imagine even if the UDE FAQ was working it wouldn't have anything either.

2) A simple one, maybe, that I'm just not sure of, considering some of the cards out there... does Castle of Dark Illusions permanently increase the ATK and DEF of the zombies that are on the field as long as they remain face up on the field, or do they only get 200, 400, 600, 800, and then finally just 1000 for as long as it remains face-up? The reason I'm confused, is basically the whole deal where Limiter Removal will permanently modify the ATK of machines, if they survive through the end phase, via Heavy Mech Support Platform (which I don't see any rulings for that under Limiter Removal either). The way the card itself is worded, is the first line just the flip effect, or is the whole thing? Slate Warrior effectively has two effects, so is this one like that, or a special case? I could see this one turning into a debate... it's probably another one of those BKSS rules.

3) Share the Pain makes both players tribute on resolution, right? So if it gets negated, you don't tribute one of your own creatures?



On a side note, where and when can I take my own judge's test? I'd like to at least be a level 1 judge, if not a level 2 one even, as long as that wouldn't impact my ability to play the game itself. I'm all the time trying to help other people play the game properly as it is. :)
 
My vote:

"Increase the ATK and DEF of all Zombie-Type monsters by 200 points."

That is One-Shot and is given during the resolution of the "FLIP:" effect.

"As long as this card remains face-up on the field, the ATK and DEF of Zombie-Type monsters continues to increase by 200 points during each of your Standby Phases. This effect continues until your 4th turn after the card is activated."

That is a Continuous Effect that is active as long as the monster is face-up on the Field. It will last until the end of the 4th turn after the turn that the "FLIP:" effect was activated.
 
John -- We need a decision on what effect ends at the 4th TURN -- the ATK boost given by the continual increase, the continual increase, or the ATK boost given by the flip effect AND the continual increase. I think if we know the answer to that, the others should become obvious. Can you post to the judges board?

The old Netrep Files state this:

""Castle of Dark Illusions's" effect will increase the ATK of Zombie monsters on the field by 200 per turn for each turn that "Castle of Dark Illusions" is face-up, for the duration of 4 turns on the Standby Phase."

"If "Castle of Dark Illusions" leaves the field before the fourth Standby Phase, the ATK increase will stop increasing. Any ATK increase that occurred as a result of "Castle of Dark Illusions" will remain on the respective Zombie-Type monsters as long as those
Zombie-Type remain face-up on the field.
"
 
Good research!

Cool, that implies a permanent boost for the zombies while they are on the field. So if that's the case, you could Book of Moon to reset and start a second round of boosts. Dang, you could end up with some seriously powerful zombies using that flip effect over and over again. <Bruce the Shark voice> OOOOOO...that's GOOOD</Bruce>
 
novastar said:
The old Netrepâ„¢ Files state this:

""Castle of Dark Illusions's" effect will increase the ATK of Zombie monsters on the field by 200 per turn for each turn that "Castle of Dark Illusions" is face-up, for the duration of 4 turns on the Standby Phase."

"If "Castle of Dark Illusions" leaves the field before the fourth Standby Phase, the ATK increase will stop increasing. Any ATK increase that occurred as a result of "Castle of Dark Illusions" will remain on the respective Zombie-Type monsters as long as those
Zombie-Type remain face-up on the field.
"

My efforts were useless! LoL

Anyway, I hope my post hasn't mislead anyone, this is the correct answer.
 
I did post a question to the judge's list as follows...

Jim has had Castle of Dark Illusions has been face up on the for three of his turns. During the end phase of his opponent's turn Jim activates Solomon's Lawbook.

Would Castle of Dark Illusions...

A. Skip the 200 atk and def. boost during the skipped 4th standby phase and cease to continue the boost in the following standby phases.

B. Skip the 200 atk and def. boost during the skipped 4th standby phase and resume the boost of 200 atk and 200 def. on each additional standby phase following?

I recieved an e-mail from Curtis with the following answer. It appears it will not be posted to the judge's list...

The effect will be skipped during that Standby Phase and it will not resume.
-
The Moderator
 
Simple enough response really, pretty much like we expected there.

What caught me off guard is how the Castle actually is a permanent modifier as long as those zombies are face up on the field. I was just stabbing wildly at that one and it turned out to be true. That's very interesting news, I'm sure noone would want to see a Vampire Lord out there rampaging over someone with increased attack for a bunch of turns until they waste something to destroy it by an effect, while the castle can sit out there still defending you with that shiny 1930 defense. Though admittedly, I would be rather annoyed were I to lose a duel with my opponent only having 70 or 20 LP left.
 
lol yeah... it's got the weirdest defense i've ever seen..

i can just see this scenario...

player a: I attack your f/d monster with my gemini elf!
player b: OK! you take 30 damage!
player a: ?!!

:D :D :D

Anywayz, I've gotta try this card in my zombie deck! :p
 
Share the Pain

The player activating Share the Pain Tributes as a Cost.
The opponent of the player activating Share the Pain Tributes as an effect.

so, if he plays jammer,i.m.transporter, or something you have already
tributed your monster for a cost!
 
branas said:
Share the Pain

The player activating Share the Pain Tributes as a Cost.
The opponent of the player activating Share the Pain Tributes as an effect.

so, if he plays jammer,i.m.transporter, or something you have already
tributed your monster for a cost!
??????? Are we following the "Oldies but Goodies" here, or did someone step through the rabbit hole and we're in Wonderland?
 
branas said:
Share the Pain

The player activating Share the Pain Tributes as a Cost.
The opponent of the player activating Share the Pain Tributes as an effect.

so, if he plays jammer,i.m.transporter, or something you have already
tributed your monster for a cost!

Wasn't this another thread of mine? lol

Hmm, perhaps we need to review the John Danker card in the Reviews and Tips board then. "Sacrifice years of sanity to judge the outcome of crazy questions like 'Can I use Nobleman of Extermination on a face down creature equipped to Thousand Eyes Restrict?'"

Well, this thread's degenerated already. I think it's time to go grab a Hungry Burger, hold the Mystic Tomato, then I'll probably have to Lighten the Load a while afterwards. As long as I don't have a Bad Reaction to Simochi, there won't be a Big Burn, and I won't have to visit Dian Keto the Cure Master, take some Poison of the Old Man, and go Back to Square One.
 
masterwoo0 said:
??????? Are we following the "Oldies but Goodies" here, or did someone step through the rabbit hole and we're in Wonderland?

i just answered the 3rd question which CraniumX asked.
in this thread.first post.
later answered incorrectly by StRiKe_NiNjA.
ok?
 
masterwoo0 - he was stating that the player tributes the monster for Share the Pain as a cost, but the opponent does so at resolution, answering CraniumX's 3rd question.

-chaosruler
 
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